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To be utterly heartbroken and also furious at the news of what went on in Lambeth council re children's homes? (TW)

42 replies

Graphista · 27/07/2021 22:26

Just seen on the news the extent of how despicable and corrupt the situation was there in the 70's, 80's and beyond (that we know of!)

I know some of the perpetrators will be dead (and hopefully rotting in hell!)

But some will still be alive and could and SHOULD be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

That ANYONE who was involved in this and complicit if not actually abusive who is still working in anything remotely close to either a govt or local govt role should be sacked.

That those already retired should lose their pensions!

It's an absolute disgrace what happened.

The victims should receive - without having to suffer the indignity and distress of going to court or giving evidence - significant, life improving levels of compensation.

They and the rest of the country need assurances that this CANNOT and WILL NOT happen again. And that far more stringent and working processes be implemented to ensure that CONVICTED SEX OFFENDERS are not allowed to work in any way - not even "administration" - within any local or national govt department that deals with looked after children.

Frankly this makes me feel even more strongly than ever that such offenders should NEVER be released anyway!

This news item had me in tears - and I'm not easily moved this way by such things, being a csa survivor myself

But it is utterly unconscionable what happened.

My heart breaks for the victims

If any of them are reading this or anyone who has experienced similar

It wasn't your fault

You're not worthless

You did not deserve this

There are people who care and understand

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Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 22:30

Op I know.
It is a again on all of us but you know the girls from Rotherham were also manily in care, children in care are targeted, Cyril Smith went to boys homes...

I've long said we need to work on this or pay them compensation. It's not good enough.

Then I heard children's care were out sourced to some utterly inept company. It needs investigating and constant eyes kept on it preferably feed back from the children.

It's a massive safe guarding issue.

Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 22:31
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Honeyroar · 27/07/2021 22:33

Yes it’s absolutely heartbreaking. And shocking.

OhWhyNot · 27/07/2021 22:34

It was rife sexual abuse in care homes for children and foster care

We still as a society view these children as not being equal they should be thankful for having others take care of them

We need to change how we view children in care they are still easy targets for abusers

colouringindoors · 27/07/2021 22:34

oh I know OP, just been watching it. It's so, so horrendous. All those poor children. Social workers and Police knew about it too!!! SadSadSad

Taliskerskye · 27/07/2021 22:34

No one will be prosecuted
And they said sorry, so it’s all over
No one is ever prosecuted really for this type of shit

EishetChayil · 27/07/2021 22:36

Abusers will find ANY loophole and ANY crack in the system to exploit and gain access to children.

We must never allow safeguarding to slip even a MILLIMETRE.

No more perverts using the rainbow flag to smear the lgbt movement, like the "puppy play" perverts in front of children at Pride.

No more lack of reporting/follow-up due to fears of being branded racist, as in Rotherham.

No more.

Taliskerskye · 27/07/2021 22:36

Also change it was rife
With it is rife
Just in different ways.
Shape shifters
They go where they can hide in the shadows

HollowTalk · 27/07/2021 22:38

I really don't want to hate men and have a son and other male relatives that I love dearly, but I'm so fucking sick of male abuse. The church, the scouts, Rotherham and now this. And of course it's not restricted to Lambeth - it's all going to come out now.

Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 22:43

Hollow it's everywhere.

I want to know what what the hell goes on in councils, I Knowle the culture of the time was like a this /Jimmy Saville etc but then we had Rotherham and now countless other councils fucking up.

A special task force I'd say needs to urgently address this but whose hands to put it into!

What was the paedophile ring that linked up with Labour?

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 22:46

This is horrifying.

On the BBC it was a story along to. Grooming gangs still operating in Bradford.

And couple of days ago.

Mass sexual abuse in the scouts for years.

Every single one of these it's oh dear handwringing lessons learned.

Each one is treated as a terrible one off. And it's all better now.

It's child abuse and especially organised / covered up CSA / sexual exploitation.

OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Why is there no overall view? That it's clear that child molesters and those who target vulnerable children are all over the place. That they can get away with it for years. That reports are ignored/glossed over/ brushed off by the authorities and orgs who should be shit fucking hot on this.

Are children or are they not a very vulnerable group in society?
Are they a group who can be more easily coerced, controlled?
Is raping and torturing children, as 'society' would say. One of the most appalling crimes there is? Or not?

I am disgusted upset angry. One of these situations would be enough.

But it's over and over and over. Religious leaders. Scouts people. Care home workers/ police/SS turning a blind eye.... And on and on and on.

My conclusion is that NO society likes to think it cases but it's a lie.

Oh and... The other day loads of girls being assaulted raped in schools. No action. Covered up. That was maybe a month ago. Heard much else? No. Anything going to be done? No. Most people forgotten about it? Almost certainly.

I have no idea what can be done if the bottom line is it's just not in reality a priority. At all.

HollowTalk · 27/07/2021 22:48

Oh yes, the girls raped and sexually assaulted in schools. That's been forgotten about now!

Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 22:50

Don't forget churches, mosques, gymnastics, boarding schools...

Every. Where.

Graphista · 27/07/2021 22:53

@Panickingpavlova yes I know that children in care have always been especially vulnerable to these predators

Makes my blood boil!

@OhWhyNot we definitely as a society need to change how we view kids in care. They are vulnerable CHILDREN not "troublemakers" or "attention seekers" or any other crappy dismissive terms used to minimise all they go through

@HollowTalk yes I seriously doubt it was JUST in Lambeth!

That it's clear that child molesters and those who target vulnerable children are all over the place

This is where I'm at now. Whenever anyone says/writes "there's not a paedo on every corner" I strongly and vocally disagree! It's rampant

It IS everywhere, it is common and it is sanctioned by the authorities continually.

I shall be writing to my MP tomorrow. He is a "good egg" but I still think little will be done BUT that will not stop me from pushing for change, pushing for justice.

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Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 22:57

We need to know how councils are run and how companies get the permit to care for these children.

We need to know what's being done dine now to care for them. We can't do it, we prove this time and to me again.

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 22:57

When it comes to crimes against those who are particulary vulnerable

And sex offences across the board in general and DV

the laws are generally fine. It's all highly illegal.

The problem is that in practice the systems (SS, care orgs, criminal justice system) are just hopeless. Not just hopeless, but actively failing. Knowing what's going on and not caring. Being involved in the abuse themselves.

It's on newsnight now.

littlbrowndog · 27/07/2021 22:59

@EishetChayil

Abusers will find ANY loophole and ANY crack in the system to exploit and gain access to children.

We must never allow safeguarding to slip even a MILLIMETRE.

No more perverts using the rainbow flag to smear the lgbt movement, like the "puppy play" perverts in front of children at Pride.

No more lack of reporting/follow-up due to fears of being branded racist, as in Rotherham.

No more.

Ecaxtly

They us looked after children.

What a joke.

Discarded children more like

littlbrowndog · 27/07/2021 23:02

My heart my heart to all these children raped sexually abused in clear view and no one seems to care

177 sexual abusers in one home alone

Track them done and put them in prison

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 23:04

Yes safeguarding is paramount.

But it's clearly not happening is it. This is about individuals and networks active to groom abuse pimp children.

And they KNOW. they fucking know.

It's not any one group or org it is everywhere.

What can we do?

To me all these things are linked. It's a systematic and widespread issue.

What can be done?

OhWhyNot · 27/07/2021 23:04

Yes sadly they are everywhere

And though mainly men by far sadly there are women involved that have not been coerced that enjoy being cruel too

littlbrowndog · 27/07/2021 23:06

I dunno gerbil

I don’t think it will change.

Looked after children. Not looked after.

You/we have no voice. Our SW were in charge of us. We had no voice

ScarfsForAllSeasons · 27/07/2021 23:06

What happened in children's homes across the country in the 50's, 60's 70' and 80's is pure evil. Children in care are one of the most vulnerable groups of society who need to be loved and protected.

There are many policies these days to ensure a high level of care for these children, although I'm not always convinced we have got it right across the board.

MintyCedric · 27/07/2021 23:06

It's awful.

I will say though that an investigation and compensation project has been going on for several years. My dad was in Shirley Oaks in the late 1940s and received an 'in harm's way' payout a couple of years ago.

He wasn't able to remember any specific episodes of abuse personally, but he did recall others being physically abused (he described a PT teacher as literally bouncing a child around the gym when he didn't perform well enough in the class), and apparently he himself tried to run away on several occasions although doesn't remember what prompted those attempts.

Sadly he died a couple of months ago so will never know the outcome.

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 23:08

Vast majority men esp sexual abuse but yes just look at Magdalene laundries. Women are more than capable of being cruel and violent.

Sex offenders are almost always men and that's important.

Wishingwell75 · 27/07/2021 23:09

I know, I had to stop reading about it yesterday because it both angers and distresses me so much.
I know that being in care in the 80's you just didn't have a voice, I hope to God things are different now.
So many children robbed of their childhoods and the far reaching effect on the rest of their lives is utterly, utterly shameful and heartbreaking.
The perpetrators should be convicted and locked up for the rest of their lives.