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At what point does it become classed as abusive parenting

53 replies

dinosaursroar1 · 21/07/2021 23:16

Sorry if this is long, trying not to drip feed.

The garden that backs on to mind is a house with a family with 3 children, two primary school aged children and one is a baby who is probably about 18 months old now.

Last year every time we were out in the garden we could overhear everything being said by this family - not intentionally eavesdropping, but our gardens aren’t huge and where our paved area with seating is is right by the rear fence. There seemed to be a lot of aggressive yelling and telling offs of the children and lots of tears from the children - which felt OTT and unpleasant but I put it down to maybe the stress of lockdown and an obviously new baby so probably lack of sleep etc. There were also a number of occasions where they had music playing that had lots of swear words or inappropriate racist words - which wasn’t great as it made me feel like I couldn’t be out there with children, as I didn’t want them to overhear that, but I tried to give the benefit of the doubt and assume it was something like a Spotify playlist that the parents hasn’t listened to before putting it on for the kids and hadn’t realised the content.

But this year it’s exactly the same, if not worse. Admittedly the weather has only been good enough for the last couple of weeks to be out regularly but I’ve never heard anything from the parents to the children that isn’t said at a yell or scream. (Sometimes it’s so loud I can hear them if I’m in the house) Everything is said in a really aggressive way and there are lots of insults and threats. Just as an example, I sat out yesterday for about thirty minutes and in that time heard the children being told they were idiots, morons, fucking stupid, to “shut your stupid mouth”, “stop that or I’ll drag you inside” and more. The dad seems to be the most aggressive in terms of things that seem like almost threats of physical violence like the I’ll drag you inside comment but the mum isn’t much better and I’ve never heard her communicate with any of the children in anything other than an insult, shouting or telling them she doesn’t care and to go away. Yesterday morning she was out in the garden with the baby who was sobbing and sobbing and she was just saying shut up to them - I was still in the house so she was saying this loud enough for me to hear indoors. The baby seemed near hysterical and it was just really distressing to hear. There are also lots of comments of the “wait till your dad gets home” type to the older children said in a way that just seems really threatening in tone.

I’m so uncomfortable about this and it feels really abusive to me. I feel like I should report this but then I question myself and wonder if I’m just interfering and would anyone even care to look into this if I did report this? My gut instinct is that someone who would speak to their kids that way where they can be overheard is probably more abusive behind closed doors and the children don’t ever seem to be happy - there never seems to be just the usual kids messing about and having a nice time just lots of tears and conflict. I don’t know anyone who would talk to a child the way this couple does. I don’t know anyone who would speak to their dog the way they talk to their children.

I don’t think I’m being melodramatic (maybe I am?) This isn’t a one off. It’s any time we’re outside - from overhearing them if we’re putting the bins out to the kind of stuff I’ve mentioned above if we’re sat out in the garden. Should I just think of this as stressed out parents and keep my nose out and hope they’re not like this all the time and it’s pure coincidence that any time I hear them they’re like this? I don’t know anyone who is like this with their children (totally appreciate we all can lose our temper at times and shout or yell as a one off in a way we might look back on and regret but this is literally every single interaction I’ve ever heard).

So as not to drip feed it does seem like the mum has some issues with regards to being rational or proportionate about things - last year she became very abusive and was harassing a neighbour because their recycling bin blew over when they were on holiday and some of the contents got scattered about but she seemed unable to accept this and spent months harassing and threatening them over this - they’ve actually moved away now because of how bad it was. So knowing this makes me also think she’s probably worse behind closed doors than what I hear outside.

If I did report it would anything even happen? I feel like if I did report this as a concern social services would just turn up and because the children are clothed and fed in what is considered a “nice” area and a parent with a “good job” that they wouldn’t really be interested about the harm being caused to children by being spoken to like this. Does anyone have any experience of issues like this? Would I be unreasonable to report this?

OP posts:
WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 22/07/2021 07:53

Report to SS
Don't bother with the NSPCC, after supporting their employer who wanked at work and put a video online they have lost all credibility and they would only direct you to SS anyway
The poor children, your neighbours sound horrible

Amdone123 · 22/07/2021 07:55

Definitely report to ss. Tell them exactly what you've said here. Those poor children.

PumpkinPie2016 · 22/07/2021 08:05

Poor children Sad definitely report it OP. You're not interfering, you're looking out for children.

If it was a one off, I'd maybe say wait, it could have been a bad day etc. But this sounds like it's a regular occurrence.

It makes me sad to think of children being treated like that Sad

CutePanda · 22/07/2021 08:08

I was going to play Devil’s Adcocate and suggest that maybe the older 2 DC have SEN or challenging behaviour and now they’re also stressed with the new baby… but then I read that the mum calls the DC “fucking stupid” and “idiots” which is horrific. Why do women keep pushing out babies if they don’t care about DC?

CutePanda · 22/07/2021 08:10

*devil’s advocate

GintyMcGinty · 22/07/2021 08:12

Give NSPCC a call. They will advise you. I think that is emotional abuse.

supasoup · 22/07/2021 08:14

That is very upsetting.

I used to live somewhere where this would be seen as normal behavior. I was only a child at the time so wasn't aware of SS and my parents probably turnt a blind eye.

Now those children are adults, most have severe mental illnesses and have ended up making very bad life choices.

If only someone could have helped them when they needed them to.

Makes me so sad knowing so many children are suffering every day.

Disabrie22 · 22/07/2021 08:39

I would report - those poor children

Livebythecoast · 22/07/2021 08:40

That's so sad to read OP. Imagine being told you're stupid, an idiot and other horrible things every day. I couldn't imagine speaking so negatively to my DD like that. Yes, they may have struggles etc but it surely doesn't warrant such nastiness. I've witnessed parents being really horrible to their children in public but you always hope it's maybe a one off or not a regular occurrence (not that it should happen at all) but if like you, I heard it regularly from my neighbour, I would report it.

firstimemamma · 22/07/2021 08:54

As someone who grew up in a household like that, please report. Thanks

dinosaursroar1 · 22/07/2021 09:27

Thank you everyone, all your replies have been really helpful.

I’m going to take our baby out in the pram in a bit before it gets too hot to see if I can see their house name or number - I guess I’d need to be able to give the address? - so I can send an email today with pretty much what I’ve said in my initial post.

I was a bit hesitant about posting thinking I’d either get told I was a horrible nosy neighbour but you’ve given me more confidence that I’m not just being ridiculous for thinking this seems too much.

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Budapestdreams · 22/07/2021 09:30

Definitely report. Social services can take it from there. Those poor kids.

Kanaloa · 22/07/2021 09:45

Of course this is abusive, I’d be worried if anyone thought it was in the boundaries of appropriate parenting.

It’s good that you’re reporting, hopefully they will be given some support to realise they are damaging their children.

cadburyegg · 22/07/2021 09:49

YANBU. This is clearly not a case of the parents having a bad day now and again if they are always aggressive and talking like this to their children all the time.

WeatherForecast · 22/07/2021 09:55

Yes. Report.

As PP have said, it’s not your job to worry about whether or not it meets any kind of threshold, report your concerns and professionals will handle it. Even if no further action is taken, there will be a record of it on the kids’ files. So if anyone else raises concerns in the future, they’re turning up at school constantly unkempt or with injuries, it builds a picture.

More people should be willing to get involved when it comes to child welfare, you’ll be doing a good thing. It’s not about the parents, it’s about the children. None of what you’ve said sounds normal or acceptable.

AvaCallanach · 22/07/2021 09:59

Watch this video

This might help you feel justified.
Safeguarding is all our business.

AhNowTed · 22/07/2021 09:59

It would be bad enough if it were a dog being treated like that, never mind children.

Yes I would report.

ShitPoetryClub · 22/07/2021 10:01

About 8 years ago, I reported physical abuse, however the Social Worker who visited made it very clear who had reported and there was an awful backlash against me. To the extent I required security to meet me in the works car park every day.
If you do speak to SS or the NSPCC, ask for their assurance that they will protect your confidence. I wish I'd gone through the Police rather than SS.

Gilbot · 22/07/2021 10:01

Please report

Why do people like this have kids? Sad

ThanksIGotItInMorrisons · 22/07/2021 10:18

Report report report. And again, report. Do it anonymously do what you have to, but don’t ignore. If anything if the mum
Needs further medical intervention ( possible) or parenting assistance she will get it. And the dad too. Poor kids. Don’t sit and do nothing. Best to err on the side of caution here.

ThanksIGotItInMorrisons · 22/07/2021 10:20

Get a small old fashioned voice recorder tape thing. Record these ‘sessions’ and send them to ss anonymously if you think it will help. They’re only kids. Who’s looking out for them if their parents aren’t?

NoProblem123 · 22/07/2021 10:47

Definitely go with your gut and report it. And keep reporting it. Keep a diary.
You’re seeing a piece of a jigsaw, other people are seeing other pieces so may already be reporting.
Horrible for you to have to listen to, poor children.

Dorisdaydream2 · 22/07/2021 10:48

You’ve had great advice here. Please report this those poor children, this is abuse.

Keep a diary of what you witness.

You could also speak to the school if you know which scythe children go to. They may well have concerns too.

gettingolderbutcooler · 22/07/2021 15:18

Report it. Since the Victoria Climbie case, they say they use different bits of info to add to a greater whole. Maybe there are also problems at school. Or it's fine. But let SS assess and decide.

OlympicProcrastinator · 22/07/2021 15:36

I’d report that to SS. I’d record it. I’d find out what school they went to and report it there too. I wouldn’t care if they knew it was me. It’s not normal. It’s more than stressed out parents. It’s disgusting and abusive and they are total cunts who don’t deserve kids. Not the music though. The verbal abuse, telling a screaming toddler to shut up etc. Go for it. There is no excuse for any of that (consistently, not a one off stressed parent saying shut up or dropping the F bomb)