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How to change child’s behaviour?

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Cw1989 · 19/07/2021 11:18

My cousins has 3 young children. 2 girls aged 11 and 8 and a boy aged 4. I have always been involved in their lives since they were babies. 3 years ago I spent nearly £300 in vehicle hire and drove over 800 miles in 4 days to move them to a home closer to us.

I have always got on with them and the kids until recently. Recently the middle daughter has been treating me so poorly I don’t want to go and see them.

It started around a year ago when the daughter was 7. She would call me names in front of people and in front of her friends she would slap me very hard and just laugh. Her friends would be shocked. I would always tell her that’s not nice and ask her not to do it again but without fail it continued. She will grab my belly and say I am fat. She will pretend to sniff me and then pretend to heave insinuating I smell. She would take my drinks and my food without asking. She mimicked the way I walk because of my disability. She does all of this constantly and usually in front of an audience.

This year she has broken several of my belongings. One night I stayed round and woke up to find my new iPad broken on the side and after a few days she admitted she dropped it. The mothers response was “you might as well take me to court as I can’t afford to pay for it”. The child was never asked to apologise. She broke a riding crop out of my car and claimed it snapped when she hit the ground but later admitted she had unwound it and snapped it. She broke my iPhone costing me close to £1000 by holding down all of the buttons and forcing a hard reset. It is now in a constant reset loop and the motherboard has fried. She never apologised for any of the above and neither did the parents. I had told her repeatedly to not touch my phone but she never listened. The phone was on charge in the room I was in so I was able to keep an eye on it, yet the moment I went to the toilet she grabbed it. I have always had money go missing from my phone case and it cannot possibly have been anyone other than her although I wished it was.

Recently things have become worse. She is beyond defiant. If you tell her no for something she says “I am” snd she will do it anyways. Her parents can tell her no and she will still do it. If she is asked to go to bed she just shakes her head and will continue to stay up until she wants to go to bed. Her parents never follow through with what they say. If she is told to go to bed and the parents get resistance they just leave it. Sometimes she says I’m not going to bed until mum goes to bed and the mother then goes to bed at 8pm. The mother is not allowed out unless the child goes with her. She never asks for anything and instead just takes what she wants. When she is told not to do something she will run to her mother and say something completely different to what has been said. If you watch her do something she will lie and say it didn’t happen and I am just accusing her. I am unsure if the mother is saying things to her to warrant this?

Yesterday it erupted. After an entire day of smirking at me whilst making comments, I had enough. I was in the garden after she had burst her brothers paddling pool. I was attempting to repair it when she walked out and snatched it from my hand. The looks and smirks she gives me when she does these things is ridiculous. I then went in and asked her mother to have a word with her. I returned to repair the paddling pool when the daughter run back out and said “mum told me told me to say sorry” and because I didn’t respond instantly she said it over and over whilst smirking at me. I responded with ok but Instead of having to apologise don’t do it. She instantly run back to the mother and said “ugh SHE said SHE doesn’t care”. She then looked back at me a grinned. I told the mother I am going home and I will not stand for this behaviour. The mother threw things on the floor and stormed off shouting “I can’t believe a 30 year old grown woman is arguing with a child”.

This made me feel like rubbish. I constantly take their children out and if I didn’t they would not go out. I spend money on the children whenever I see them. I spend my time with the children and when I do I am always positive and encouraging towards them. I have repeatedly asked the mother to correct the child’s behaviour and it never happens. The mother then turns it onto me rather than correcting the child’s behaviour. I think this is where the child gets it from.

I have been close with my cousin since I was a child and I feel gutted that this is happening. Whenever I say to him about what’s going on his response is “I’m not getting involved”. Now this is happened with the daughter and wife every time I go round I don’t want to be there.

What can I do? Is this just how children are these days? Please any suggestions would be amazing.

OP posts:
Boomshakalack · 19/07/2021 11:20

No, it’s not how children are. Stop seeing them.

Hoppinggreen · 19/07/2021 11:21

You don’t change anything, it’s up to her parents and they sound shit.
I would avoid the lot of them but if you still want to see the other kids you could offer to take them and only them out. If the parents refuse then don’t take any
If you have to interact with this child just say “you are very rude” and walk off.
There isn’t much you can do, just reduce your exposure to it

30degreesandmeltinghere · 19/07/2021 11:23

Go nc. What wouldn't you? Relatives or not..

CagneyNYPD · 19/07/2021 11:28

It is not how children are. My own dc wouldn't dare be so rude, especially to an adult. Not even once, let alone repeatedly.

The child is being failed massively by her parents. There is nothing that you can do about that. But you can choose if you want to be a part of this or not. Your cousin sounds very weak. Walk away.

irresistibleoverwhelm · 19/07/2021 11:33

I wouldn’t see them for a while, and I certainly wouldn’t be taking them out. Could you arrange to see your cousin separately for lunch or similar? Or see him and wife and the youngest while the others are at school?

It seems very hard on the other two children but it’s the parents who are at fault here, and if your cousin takes the attitude that he’s not getting involved, he can do without all the attention and money you lavish on his family.

They sound ungrateful and frankly awful, OP. If my child broke a visitor’s iPad I couldn’t afford to pay for it either, but I would be absolutely mortified beyond belief and would try to find a way to replace it on insurance or similar.

Honestly, you sound like you are giving a lot to this family and not being treated well in return. And what sticks out to me is your comment about the child making fun of your disability - if my daughter did that to anyone she wouldn’t leave her room for a week. What are her parents thinking? They are setting that child up to be a horrible person in life and you shouldn’t have to bear the brunt of it.

lovebeingmum9 · 19/07/2021 11:37

Hi op You sound like a lovely cousin and you obviously value family but unfortunately...they don't seem to value you in the same way! Your being disrespected both by the daughter and her mother! I would step back and concentrate on yourself for a while,see if your missed and invited round then weigh up wether its worth your while otherwise I wouldn't keep trying when it seems so one sided. If you do get invited around and the daughter says something disrespectful I personally would be prepared to set boundaries and tell her not to be so rude or disrespectful to you,because you don't like it,if her mother values you she would either step in beforehand to tell her daughter off or allow you to tell her off yourself! If she does neither or doesn't want you sticking up for yourself and she's not prepared to as a parent then unfortunately your just there to be disrespected for their entertainment and move on and don't look back Flowers

MissyB1 · 19/07/2021 11:39

Why are you still seeing these people? The parents have no respect for you let alone their daughter!
Step right back, seriously far back! If you miss the other two kids then offer to take them out (not middle one as she can’t behave). But don’t go to their house! From now on any contact with them has to be entirely on your terms. Stop being a doormat.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 19/07/2021 11:40

Christ. Just leave them to it. They all sound vile.

Hankunamatata · 19/07/2021 11:43

If parents are not willing to address her behaviour then theres nothing much you can do.

RedMarauder · 19/07/2021 11:45

You need to stop being a doormat.

As you aren't solely responsible for the children, the first time one of them is rude to you on a visit you give them a warning that you will leave if their poor behaviour towards you continues. The next time you up and leave without fuss and discussion with anyone in the household.

Yesterday you allowed the smirker to have a discussion with you when you should have been long gone by the time the pool was damaged.

If you take them out you give them one warning if they are rude that they are going home. Then if they are rude you return them home without fuss and without going into their house.

I had to do this with various nieces and nephews from my early 20s, and it worked. Funny thing is they stopped being rude to me but continued their stroppy behaviour with their parents, until their parents realised they could stop it as well.

One of my friends' did this with her former neighbours children. So they were polite and behaved when around her but when they thought she wasn't around they misbehaved.

gingerbiscuits · 19/07/2021 11:45

Wow. You sound kind & amazing with the patience of a saint & they sound beyond rude & totally horrific!

As hard & disappointing as it will be, the time has come to walk away - they are taking you for an absolute mug. Tell them in no uncertain terms why you are backing out of their lives & then just do it! Don't waiver, don't be pulled back in, don't get involved in any arguments...just take the high ground & get on with your own life.

Laserbird16 · 19/07/2021 11:47

I'd back right off. The daughters behaviour is appalling and her mother's worse. I would be mortified if my DDs did anything like that.

Value yourself. You don't deserve this rubbish and by removing yourself from this god awful behaviour one of two things will happen. They'll either realise how awful they are and that you don't need to put up with them and change, or they'll carry on being a bag of dicks and you don't have to deal with it.

Pumperthepumper · 19/07/2021 11:51

You should stop seeing them, they sound horrendous.

I do kind of agree with the mother though - why on earth are you getting into a tit-for-tat with an eight year old? Why didn’t you tell her off yourself? Why allow her to treat you like that?

DancesWithTortoises · 19/07/2021 11:53

Stay away from them. The behaviour isn't normal from the mother or child.

Pumperthepumper · 19/07/2021 11:53

Also why are you always going to her mother instead of her father - her father is your cousin?

Youdiditanyway · 19/07/2021 11:54

You don’t need to change anything other than your regular contact with this vile human being and her shitty Mother. Please value yourself more than this, you deserve much better.

Snowwhite83 · 19/07/2021 11:56

Wow , her parents should be ashamed of themselves for such awful parenting. I would never go near them again. If u are forced to see them take ur bag to the toilet so she cannot grab it. These people cannot be helped, remove yourself and don't feel bad.

MotionActivatedDog · 19/07/2021 11:57

Stop going round. Sounds like you are doing a hell of a lot for them. I’m getting skivvy vibes from the way the girl is treating you. I’ll bet that’s coming from her parents. Develop some self respect.

pointythings · 19/07/2021 11:58

This girl is learning the behaviour from her parents, who refuse to actually parent her. I would just refuse to host them - you don't have to put up with this and they don't deserve you.

And no, children are not like this in general. Because most don't have useless parents.

Maggiesfarm · 19/07/2021 11:59

Give them a wide berth from now on, Cw. The child obviously has problems but they are not your problems, she has parents to help her.

I do not understand why the girl's mother did not correct her, I wouldn't have allowed my children to be rude - and violent - like that, neither would most parents. However what is done is done.

You've been a solid cousin/friend to them, now is the time to put yourself first.

Maybe things will change, maybe not, but live your life and put them on the back burner.

Good luck - and please don't fret. Life goes on.

ohfuckitall · 19/07/2021 11:59

That poor child. She's completely fucked with parents like that.

Kids are hard work but the parents need to set boundaries with them or you end up a situation like the one you have described.

Ponoka7 · 19/07/2021 12:01

@Youdiditanyway, the child might be badly behaved, but it's you who are a vile human being for calling a child that.

OP, the children sound as though they are neglected. Girls of around eight do become difficult and if the child's emotional needs aren't being met, as well as other needs and there is other stuff going on, then this is what happens. Family often stick a plaster over bad parenting, which is what you have done, but the children suffer for it.
Unfortunately there's nothing you can do unless there's stuff going on that is bad enough to report. You could contact the school if you think the younger child is suffering because of the situation.

ohfuckitall · 19/07/2021 12:03

There are children who have behavioural problems or are just explosive because they lack the skills to manage their emotions, and I feel sorry for the parents then, for some children the 'coming down like a ton of bricks' approach does not work and the parents need help to develop other approaches that will work.

But this just sounds like a child whose parents have given up trying to parent.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 19/07/2021 12:03

those children would get away with murder and it's not normal for kids to behave like that. your cousin is horrible.

I would've stopped seeing them a long time ago.

Cryalot2 · 19/07/2021 12:10

Op you sound a lovely person, but sadly the family are taking advantage of you.
You are giving so much and being rewarded with rudeness and appalling manners.
Step back leave them to it.
I know you feel they are depending on you, but the parents need to sort their lives out and deal with their children. The girl seems to have problems not helped by her parents who seem to have failed.
Find company that deserve you. Flowers