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To let the man stay…?

45 replies

PineapplePrincess · 18/07/2021 22:30

We have an annex to our house. My Mum use to stay there until she became too unwell and passed away. Afterward it was lying empty so we used to occasionally let it out via a well known website.

One of the visitors was an elderly gentleman, who would travel to visit family. He stayed twice over the space of a couple of years. He settled up via the websit. Was very sweet, and a bit dottery - so we would keep an extra eye on him and help him out.

Last year with Covid we didn’t let the place out at all. To be honest we are thinking of converting the space into a home office or maybe a play area for the kids.

Elderly chap asked to stay when restrictions were temporarily lifted at the end of last year. He texted my phone (which I gave him for emergencies) rather than through the website and I reluctantly agreed.

There was a chat about money and I gave him bank details for payment, but after a bit of a faff about him not understanding online banking etc, I let it go and said he could stay without paying. I figure it would be the last year he was visiting given his dementia seemed to be progressing.

Instead of staying the week we had originally agreed, he stayed two. I didn’t think too much of it. Place was empty anyway. We again helped out to make sure he was safe and okay.

This year he was in touch again. I felt a huge guilt trip. I again agreed to let him visit.

This was not small feat, as the annex had become a general storage area. So meant several days of gutting the place, trips to the dump and charity shops and general cleaning.

No mention of money. He brought some toys for the kids.

I’m not overly bothered about the money, but think the fact it wasn’t mentioned a bit cheeky. It’s possibly his dementia. Given both my parents died from dementia, I have a soft spot here.

DH thinks I’m mad. Am I?

OP posts:
AnoymousCoward · 18/07/2021 23:32

Do you live somewhere nice?
May I come and stay for free? I'm lovely, and my children are delightful, and I'll cook a meal for you in return Smile

PineapplePrincess · 18/07/2021 23:35

@mashawithbear

So what he couldn't use online banking, why wouldn't you ask for cash in hand when he comes to stay? Seems bizzare you said for free just because he didn't know how to do online banking
I know! I did everything via the letting website previously so I would never actually have to talk/handle money.

I wrote off last year thinking it was his last stay with us. But fear I’ve kinda set a precedent now.

I’m useless at being direct and asking, and would rather just write it off.

OP posts:
PineapplePrincess · 18/07/2021 23:38

@AnoymousCoward

Do you live somewhere nice? May I come and stay for free? I'm lovely, and my children are delightful, and I'll cook a meal for you in return Smile
I like it here. Nice countryside, close to the cities and local tourist attractions.

If you’re prepared to cook we could strike a deal 😉. Particularly if your kids entertain mine!?! 😂

OP posts:
Hawkins001 · 18/07/2021 23:40

@PineapplePrincess

We have an annex to our house. My Mum use to stay there until she became too unwell and passed away. Afterward it was lying empty so we used to occasionally let it out via a well known website.

One of the visitors was an elderly gentleman, who would travel to visit family. He stayed twice over the space of a couple of years. He settled up via the websit. Was very sweet, and a bit dottery - so we would keep an extra eye on him and help him out.

Last year with Covid we didn’t let the place out at all. To be honest we are thinking of converting the space into a home office or maybe a play area for the kids.

Elderly chap asked to stay when restrictions were temporarily lifted at the end of last year. He texted my phone (which I gave him for emergencies) rather than through the website and I reluctantly agreed.

There was a chat about money and I gave him bank details for payment, but after a bit of a faff about him not understanding online banking etc, I let it go and said he could stay without paying. I figure it would be the last year he was visiting given his dementia seemed to be progressing.

Instead of staying the week we had originally agreed, he stayed two. I didn’t think too much of it. Place was empty anyway. We again helped out to make sure he was safe and okay.

This year he was in touch again. I felt a huge guilt trip. I again agreed to let him visit.

This was not small feat, as the annex had become a general storage area. So meant several days of gutting the place, trips to the dump and charity shops and general cleaning.

No mention of money. He brought some toys for the kids.

I’m not overly bothered about the money, but think the fact it wasn’t mentioned a bit cheeky. It’s possibly his dementia. Given both my parents died from dementia, I have a soft spot here.

DH thinks I’m mad. Am I?

I understand your perspectives however, it's a kind gesture and a good deed.
Anniissa · 18/07/2021 23:41

Whilst I’m sure you feel you’re doing a great thing, I worry you’re leaving yourself open to all sorts of advantage being taken. If he’s got serious issues with dementia such that he can’t understand the need to pay for holiday accommodation then he absolutely shouldn’t be driving to you. Also where is his wife in this - you say she would know if he wasn’t ok to drive but she isn’t involved enough to pay? Doesn’t seem right. You really need to be concerned that they come to stay for nothing and don’t leave because it will be potentially difficult to get them out. It is nice to be mindful and kind to elderly people with possible dementia issues but not to your and your family’s detriment!

DroopyClematis · 18/07/2021 23:55

I agree with @Anniissa

bloodyhell19 · 19/07/2021 00:12

Erm... Dementia but still drives? Has it gotten worse since last year or...? I don't understand why if he or his wife couldn't work online banking, he didn't just bring cash in hand or a cheque?

Also OP just convert the annexe to a playroom this year. So when he does inevitably ask to stay again next year you can just say it's unavailable and you won't feel guilty for lying.

But YABU, your DH's opinion matters too and I wouldn't be comfortable with someone staying on my property without a prearranged agreement in place.

tohaveitall · 19/07/2021 00:56

If I could afford it and he was a nice old man I would. I would also take him nice home made dinners and invite him to eat with us once in a while..but I don't have a DH and am a bit lonely myself at times.

Discovery65 · 19/07/2021 01:20

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Aquamarine1029 · 19/07/2021 01:24

He saw you coming.

GrandmaAli · 19/07/2021 01:51

LemonFantaGin - is that a nice drink?
...
OP, you are treating him like he is an elderly relative who needs your help, but he isn't!
He may, or may not, have dementia. It's taking an awfully long time to get to full dementia which makes me think he is taking the piss out of you!!!
He travels, tho I don't know how far nor how?
He has relatives in the area who possibly could help him pay or at least find somewhere else to stay, possibly even with them!
He has access to his bank, as he obviously has money for food and travel and wotnot, so why doesn't he take the money out to pay you in cash?
I'm with your husband on this one, so either tell him you've converted the annex, someone is already using it, or block his number but do not give in!!!

SLT90 · 19/07/2021 02:19

I find it odd that he could pay via the website but yet isn't computer savvy enough to do online banking. You are basing a lot of your reasoning on him having dementia, which you seemed to have diagnosed him with as he hasn't ever mentioned it himself. If your hunch is correct then I highly doubt he would still be capable of driving and looking after himself completely for a couple of weeks year after year? It would be safer for all involved if you were to decline.

But personally I think he is taking you for a ride!

Willowkins · 19/07/2021 03:02

I'm not quite elderly but I did find it difficult to switch to online banking until the lockdown made it absolutely essential. The thing is I still prefer to write cheques and I would think someone of that age group would also find that easier. How about you pretend his free stay didn't happen and simply tell him to write the cheque out to PineapplePrincess?

HappyDays40 · 19/07/2021 03:03

Having Dementia has not been confirmed the OP just suspects.
Driving and a diagnosis of Dementia are not mutually exclusive some people witha Dementia diagnosis can drive late on into the progression of their condition. Its dependent on the parr of the brain affected.

Saoirse82 · 19/07/2021 03:11

LadyGAgain

I think you're wonderful OP. If you don't need the money then you're helping out a man in the twilight years of his life. How brilliant are you

I totally agree with this!

user1493494961 · 19/07/2021 07:47

I take it you don't really know much about this man, just because he's elderly it doesn't mean he's not a convicted fraudster (or worse).

Cloudninenine · 19/07/2021 08:57

You are bonkers, but so kind Flowers

redheadwitch · 19/07/2021 10:45

He is capable of remembering your phone number, who you are and where you live.
He is capable of travelling there solo.
Therefore, he is more than capable of lifting cash from an ATM and paying you.

I don't actually think this is kindness. I think its naivety wrapped up in self-righteousness. Perhaps linked to both your parents having had dementia and you feeling some sort of bond with this man because of it.

He is using you. You're allowing this to happen and putting the rest of your family in an uncomfortable situation where a random man is living on your property for an unknown length of time. I think its time to grow a back bone.

3Britnee · 19/07/2021 10:48

@LemonFantaGin

If you dont need the money, and it keeps an old man woth failing health happy, whats the harm?

Id be in your camp.

This. Think of it as paying it forward.

Just don't do this for anyone else.

Youdiditanyway · 19/07/2021 11:32

I think he’s taking the piss personally and don’t believe he has dementia for one second. This is the fourth year he’s visited you now and he’s still able to drive and remembers your number and where you live, he’s taking you for a ride. Not understanding online banking is fine but he should have brought some cash.

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