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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask Mumsnet to decide if I should take this job?

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Theghostofchristmasarse · 12/07/2021 19:48

I'll try to keep this short...😂

Art teacher, been head of a large department of 8 and now a smaller one from this year onwards of 2, been in the school 13 years....mainstream, grammar. Love it, mostly. Hate the managing part of it, been nothing but stress. Long ish drive, spend 120 to 180 on petrol each month during term time. Am though part time, but I do need to be full time and asked earlier this year, but was turned down due to not enough teaching. I've noticed in the last year or so that younger staff who tend to sing their own praises seem to get what they want...offered promotion without interview or process, given choices over curriculum that don't make sense for the children but keep staff happy, etc. It does gall. The newish head seems to make easy decisions even though they aren't great for the kids to make sure he's not the bad guy.

I've been there a long time and I'm feeling restless...however, it's safe. If I do get full time is be on a good amount. I like the people I work with, mostly. Behaviour is ok and I can deal with it, but I do find the older classes more rewarding, less stressful. 32 boys can have a bit of a mob mentality and can be hard work, not easy to get to know them on an hour a week. It's easy in lots of ways, I could concentrate on other things, like a business I started before lockdown. I could make it more exciting in this next year, possibly by introducing a few things, but the arts never do very well in an academic environment.
I get to leave day a fortnight to get my children from school, although to be honest that can be stressful with the drive. We get Friday afternoons for training and there aren't any after school meetings.
I'm skint because I really need 5 days, to give me a buffer zone. I'm a single parent and the easiness is lovely, and suits my children now, but kind of boring. I kind of feel like if I stay that's me until I retire now (I'm 44). I also work with my boyfriend but we are a secret because of work...it's nice I get to see him briefly every day, but it can cause issues because of gossip. We've talked lots and he'd be excited for me to get a new job and we've both said how much it would do our relationship good, to not talk about work and to be able to be totally honest about is if I went. He's looking for jobs too.

Saw a job after a particularly difficult day.. working in a SEMH school. Very challenging behaviour but lots of staff, small classes. Lots of support. Staff seem very happy. They stay years and years. They all say the staff team are amazing and they support each other.

Teaching art and DT, so I'd have to learn new skills, but that would be exciting. Only classes of 6 for that. I'd get to grow the department, develop it hopefully. I'd have to start with what I have which is basic, but there's potential. It's full time, salary to be decided but I'd hope to be getting at least what I would full time at my school, I could go slightly less as it wouldn't actually work out much less. No managing any staff, just involving the LSA in the room with the lesson. Possibly more practical work to manage, I can't imagine there's much budget for art.
I could collect my children from school every Friday and drive my eldest to school every morning, possibly collect her. Which would mean no 1.7 mile walk for her. I'd be in the town I live in, with a 15 min commute, 20 tops.

It's a risk though. What if I hated it...I couldn't leave, as I'd never get another HOD job like the one I've got.

It's basically comfortable and easy but boring, or risky, challenging, scary and exciting, more money sooner and guaranteed. I'd basically be doing half a day more a week for over 300 more a month. But it's scary! And I'd be sad to leave my friends and colleagues, plus I'd miss some of the kids I've got great relationships with.

I keep thinking well it's obvious I should take it, and then thinking I'd be mad to leave where I am!

Ok, so yes take the new job, no, stay where I am...
Mumsnet jury, decide for me please! (Tonight if possible, I've got to let them know by 1pm!)

OP posts:
TodClarty · 13/07/2021 17:19

Well that's shitty. Sorry OP x

Pumpkintopf · 13/07/2021 20:57

How awful and very unprofessional of the offering school. Really sorry op.

Phineyj · 13/07/2021 21:01

I hate how unprofessional schools are over salary negotiation. It's not an offer if you don't know what you'll be paid!

Theghostofchristmasarse · 13/07/2021 22:25

I'm more angry about it the more I think about it! The salary scale is so clear, I don't mind if I wasn't offered it, I kind of expected it as there was an NQT thete, who seemed great, along with an older candidate who would have been great and cheaper than me...but to bloody offer it, cause me huge amounts of stress, not to mention the head of my school who I saw about 4 times today 🤷 and then withdraw it, in a bloody voicemail! Her PA said it was because she was in an assessment day all day...but she'd asked me to phone her by 1pm and still had time to offer it to the other woman!
Grr. Feeling very over emotional today and totally worn out.
Really wish I could give them feedback but it would just sound like sour grapes.

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TenShortStories · 13/07/2021 22:48

I suppose the messy offer retraction may mean you've dodged a bullet - unprofessional behaviour in recruitment could easily be a sign of general unprofessionalism. Sorry though, what a frustrating experience for you.

MaybeMaybeNotJ · 13/07/2021 23:15

That’s awful behaviour I’m so sorry xx

Dozer · 13/07/2021 23:22

So sorry about the withdrawn job offer: that was a shitty way for them to treat you.

Suggest looking for a new, FT job that’s better than your current one and closer to home!

Ellmau · 14/07/2021 18:48

Oh, how frustrating!

Not unreasonable to respond in a dignified manner saying how disappointed you are.

Silver lining: This should give you confidence that you can get an offer elsewhere.

Good luck!

Obbydoo · 14/07/2021 19:08

Why are you so angry that they've rescinded their offer when you were essentially considering the same thing? You attended an interview and took up their time but didn't even know if you want the job. I think it's probably worked out best for both parties.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 16/07/2021 01:23

Err no, I was offered it, had been given time to consider if I wanted it on the terms they were offering, lots of the job wasn't clear at interview as there was teaching in another subject but that wasn't clear what until the offer....but after considering it I did want to take it and would have negotiated on the salary.

What's making me angry is that they knew full well they couldn't afford me from my application, that much was obvious as they even said when I emailed after they left a voicemail recinding it that they couldn't even afford even my pay grade, let alone the extra SEN allowance. It was all on the application, I was even honest in the interview with what I needed.
I am mainly pissed off at the way they withdrew it, with a voicemail only 12 hours after offering it. They wasted my time and the time of the people writing references, not to mention the day of teaching and days spent preparing, teaching jobs involve a whole day interview, teaching, which I planned for and a presentation.
I've let it go now anyway, wasn't for me. But they way they behaved was totally unprofessional. Even a phone call rather than a voicemail would have been better. Just shortsighted of them to even interview me if they couldn't afford me.

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Phineyj · 16/07/2021 11:09

Seriously, you dodged a bullet with this one. They would have been rubbish to work for!

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