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AIBU?

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To think my ex is talking out of his backside?

48 replies

Mumoblue · 12/07/2021 10:03

Hi MN.
Ex and I have a 1 year old son. We split last year after he had an emotional affair but he only moved out recently due to COVID pushing everything back. He’s currently living with his parents very close by.

He sees the baby 1 day a week from 8-5 but 90% of the time finds a reason to leave at least two hours early (he takes the baby for the morning to his parents house and then in the afternoon watches him here- his choice not mine).
When I’ve said I’d like him to be reliable and actually stick to the time he’s agreed to, he’s gotten a bit hostile and told me that he and his mother have “looked it up” and that if we went to court they’d only make him see the baby once every two weeks so I should be “grateful” he’s doing more.

I’ve tried to do some googling but I can’t find anything about this. Obviously I’d rather not go to court and I was disgusted that he and my son’s grandmother are sitting around looking up the minimum time he can spend with his son who he supposedly loves.
I know I’m kind of stuck accepting whatever access he wants to have at the moment, so it’s not actually about going to court, and I don’t want to- but is this actually true?

YABU- yes
YANBU- no

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 12/07/2021 11:26

Also, who told you that they don't want their grandson for that long, was it your Ex or was it they themselves? I wouldn't put it past a waste of space dad to make up stuff like "Oh my parents have an issue with how long David (*name change) is here for" except it is actually the dad who actually wakes up and realises that it's not all sunshine and icecreams looking after a kid, there is actual work that needs to be done.

NautaOcts · 12/07/2021 11:29

That’s a bit sad
Normally court is about parents fighting for more access to their children so no of course he can’t be forced to see them
Unfortunately you are reliant on him wanting to see his child so I suppose he’s right. But it’s not unreasonable to want to know in advance what the timings will be and for him to stick to it.
He is only obligated to pay money towards their care.

Canigooutyet · 12/07/2021 11:36

it's simply not your problem if his parents don't like the situation. If you're not there to use you home then he cannot get in.

He's controlling and manipulating you to do what he wants.

Whenever he mentions court - ok - that's nice - see you there - don't get into it with him. Just very non committal responses if you even bother. You know it's all crap.

And can I suggest you do the freedom program it helps you gain the tools you need to deal with these users.

Considering he moved into his parents, and You could still move, view properties etc what was the hold up with him leaving last year?

arethereanyleftatall · 12/07/2021 11:40

When you say the looked it up - do you mean that he pays you maintenance based on him only having your ds a few hours every other week? Your maintenance payments from him decrease the more he has his child.

PumpkinKlNG · 12/07/2021 11:43

arethereanyleftatall it’s only over night contact that decreases payments, which he isn’t having

arethereanyleftatall · 12/07/2021 11:51

Oh yes, good point, so he presumably is paying you full maintenance, and that is what he and his mother are taking issue with?

OrchestraOfWankery · 12/07/2021 11:51

He's using visitation to control you.

Its a really common trick.

You can't make plans because he flakes on them, you can't spend time chilling in your home because he has to be there.

This^
He can take the child OUT and actually parent him for a few hours.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 12/07/2021 12:04

Could you change your locks?

starfishmummy · 12/07/2021 12:14

I think he’s just trying to mess with my head.

Of course he is. But you don't have to let hin

TotorosCatBus · 12/07/2021 12:16

1/ Contact is for the benefit of your son. Him staying in your house for contact is hardly benefitting you unless you are in your bedroom ans he's bringing his own food and drink round (and clearing that up)

2/ There is no minimum amount of time. If he went to court and said he wants 2 hours a month they would give him that. He has misunderstood the every 2 weeks thing- it is common for Dads to have every other weekend so that kids spend the other weekend with mum and her side of the family. But it's not a rule and something for you to be grateful for- contact is for the benefit of the child.

3/ I wouldn't be encouraging contact at your house. It's summer so a good time to go out. He's probably not going to spend 9-5 outdoors but not establishing boundaries now means that you are signing up for this long-term. Do either of you have a partner? If he finds a long-term partner then they are unlikely to want this arrangement long-term because they'd have to eventually come round too.

4/ How old is he with the "My mum said.." stuff? I think it's understandable that a Dad might find out his rights but granny isn't even coming round.

RedMarauder · 12/07/2021 12:26

Make sure you you get the child maintenance you are entitled to by going on the CMS website and using their calculator.

As he doesn't have your joint child over night he has to pay the amount for 365 days per year.

Also you don't want him to go to Court and get a Child Arrangements Order as the way they work is that you have to stick to the order by making your joint child available at the ordered contact times but he can flake out of it completely.

Plus when he realises the CMS use Child Arrangements Orders to work out maintenance he will start saying he wants your joint child overnight to decrease the amount of child maintenance he pays.

Naunet · 12/07/2021 12:43

When I’ve said I’d like him to be reliable and actually stick to the time he’s agreed to, he’s gotten a bit hostile and told me that he and his mother have “looked it up” and that if we went to court they’d only make him see the baby once every two weeks so I should be “grateful” he’s doing more

Jeez, father of the year right there. You should be “grateful” that he sees his own child?!! Maybe tell him you’ve looked it up and you would only be forced to see the baby every other weekend too (where did he get that bollocks!!), so he should be grateful for how much extra you’re already doing.

TheWernethWife · 12/07/2021 13:07

If the grandparents have said that well shame on them. I adore my granddaughter.

Milkandhoney888 · 12/07/2021 16:30

All i can suggest is go through CMS for maintance. And as your child gets older he will realise, however you can always say you maintained and supported contact with his dad. It's not your job to try to influence his opinion on his dad. My EX once said he had gone to citizens advice about the fact i wanted him to see his children more...

ChargingBuck · 12/07/2021 16:58

When I’ve said I’d like him to be reliable and actually stick to the time he’s agreed to, he’s gotten a bit hostile and told me that he and his mother have “looked it up” and that if we went to court they’d only make him see the baby once every two weeks so I should be “grateful” he’s doing more.

What a piece of work.
I hope you are celebrating the fact that he is an Ex.

Why would you want a person with this revolting attitude around your child? They may be too small to pick up on it now, but they will, & no child should be made to feel unwanted, neglected, regularly flaked-out on, & above all that they should be grateful for grudging & condescending crumbs from their own parent.

Forget making any arrangements with him bar financial.
(For instance, once he threatened to take me to court for primary custody because I mentioned I was about to run out of nappies, and then later denied that he had said that at all).

Empty, meaningless threat, You know damn well he nor his parents can be arsed - you don't need to worry about this.

It does sound like he’s just bringing up court to get me to shut up.
Of course he is.
But he's a bit thick. Let him see how the legal mechanisms work, when you insist on all further liaison being via the Child Maintenance Service - who will tell him exactly what money he needs to pay for his child.

Above all - STOP the visits at your house.
He is your Ex, he no longer gets to step one foot into your home.
Every time you let him in, is another chance for him to manipulate, control or threaten you.

Document everything - including his unreliability, how he frequently cuts visits short, & his announcement that you should be "grateful" that he turns up at all.
You are no longer in a relationship.
He is no longer allowed to be in your home.
He has to do ALL the work of setting up visits - & they must include a neutral handover point.
Block him on everything except email, & insist that all contact is strictly about visitation. Keep a record of everything he sends you.
Allow the visits to diminish (he won't be arsed long term - although short term be prepared for an "extinction burst" - behavioralinquiry.com/2017/05/10/behavioral-extinction-and-extinction-bursts/ )
Quietly & doggedly pursue a legally mandated & regular child support payment from his c/o the CMS.

You need to detach yourself from this arsehole & his disgusting attitude toward your child. Your child is not going to benefit from your Ex's contact, & you should aim to reduce it as much as possible ... by letting it fade out.
Do not discuss this with him, do not announce your intentions. Just calmly tell him that you are no longer available for any contact other than email discussion of visiting arrangements, & that you will no longer facilitate contact in your home - because you are no longer together, & he does not need to set foot in your house ever again.

Please, above all, stop chasing crumbs from this man. Get him fucked off out of your life as much as you possibly & legally can - & concentrate on making the best life for you & your baby you can.

Flowers
Justcallmebebes · 12/07/2021 17:18

Yeah. He looked it up in The Deadbeat Dad Manual

bigbaggyeyes · 12/07/2021 17:26

Yup he's talking out his arse

There's no set time to see his dc. A court won't and can't insist he sees the child a set number of days or hours. He's threatening court to shut you up. Next time he mentions it tell him that you'll either happily agree to going via the courts or simply tell him he doesn't want to see his dc then that's fine and he doesn't have to

But I'd also put a stop to him seeing the dc at your house too, his problem if his parents don't want the dc at their house. Not your circus, not your monkey

Ihavehadenoughalready · 12/07/2021 17:35

"They would only make him see the baby....."

Yikes.

Would he prefer never seeing the baby, then? Sure sounds like it.

OurChristmasMiracle · 12/07/2021 17:37

Personally at this point I would firstly go to mediation and get something in writing, I would tell him that moving forward he needs to make his own arrangements of where he will be spending time with his child as your home is no longer an option. I would be making your child available for contact and sending text messages when he ie late along the lines of “please can you confirm what time you will be picking up xxxxx please?”
And documenting every late turn up and every Early drop off.

I would also put a claim in for maintenance ASAP

MissMaple82 · 12/07/2021 17:41

What - a - nobhead

Cloudninenine · 12/07/2021 17:58

The court can’t force him to spend time with his kid. They would specific a maximum but not a minimum, and it wouldn’t be enforceable if he didn’t see his son.

He sounds like a real shit, I’m sorry Flowers

Wallywobbles · 12/07/2021 20:20

I'd just say. Doesn't sound like it's working for anyone. Why don't you just drop contact altogether.

FortniteBoysMum · 12/07/2021 20:29

The cfb. He should be grateful your giving him more access than the bare minimum. He should also be great full your not making him start off in a contact centre. Next time he says something along these lines point out its him that should be over the bloody moon your letting him spend time with his son. His not a childcare provider his the child's bloody father and should be asking to spend even more time with his kid not being ready to run at the first chance he gets. When he takes him in future make sure your out the house until the time specified to bring him home.

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