Anyone seen this clip of a seemingly OTT police raid? Is there more to the story?

[flashbac]

Apparently they raided the building because it had an Extinction Rebellion sculpture on the roof. Apparently arrested the landlord too; just swooped him off his bike when he came to investigate. Scary if true. 40+ police!
twitter.com/Damien_Meade/status/1411643988902354945?s=19

Yes...where are they 'acting like thugs'?

The door being broken down? Are we really so sensitive about that?

[quote Cabinfever10]@LemonRoses not all terrorists kill. Terrorism is not about using deadly violence (it can be obviously but not always) its about using fear and intimidation to force political change.
Just look at the campaign of terror against scientists who test on animals by so called animal rights groups (no I don't agree with animal testing) in the 90s and 00s that was outrageous behaviour.
You will also find that many of those animal rights extremists are now involved with ER (no I won't name names on a public forum) and are driving it now.
I disagree with you on who has destroyed the free press in this country nor is the BBC pro Tory. The left are the ones who have forced the press to lie to the people otherwise they wouldn't call tw women when reporting on their crimes they would call them tw.
I disagree with the police having the power to arrest people who are peacefully protesting IF the protest is not preventing anyone else from getting on with their day. However as soon as a protest is disrupting other peoples lives it should be broken up and anyone who refuses should be arrested[/quote]
Mmmmn if I recall there were several cases of bombs by animal rights activists.p from about 2005 until around 2009. I think there were several imprisonments for bombing or attempted bombings. That feels more akin to terrorism. A bomb or threat of a bomb is a bit scarier, no?

What comparisons are using that includes acts of terror?

Murdoch is left wing? Remind me of his sphere of influence? He doesn’t feel particularly left wing to me. Then let’s think about the BBC.
Are you suggesting that the government didn’t influence the appointment of the chair? It’s not quite Charles Moore of the Torygraph but not much further left. As for Laura K, are you thinking she’s not batting for Johnson and flagrantly supporting his circus rather than reporting stories of criminal proceedings against government, breaches of code, breaches of Coronavirus act by ministers and jobs for allies?

The TW argument is interesting. The Tories commissioned a campaign to win votes from certain groups who hold strong opinions on one subject. The TW debate is sufficient, seemingly to allow people to side with the Tories despite everything else.

It was erected on a roof, without planning permission. It was a potential danger through falling from the roof.

That would require a letter from the local council, possibly a visit from an enforcement officer,the most heavy handed it would have needed to get would have been a high vis vest and a clipboard.

@flashbac, not to planning infringements, but potential danger to the public they do.
Especially, if owner of said structure refuses to remove it.

Nice to see some action against terrorists for once. ER are dicks and criminal ducks at that.

I don't know any detail about this situation but I do know how things are reported in my local press and how the local police force and operations are completely misrepresented and police cannot defend themselves because too do so would be to divulge confidential information or could jeopardise a case, so I wouldn't take too much from this one clip

@BlatantlyNameChanged
That would require a letter from the local council, possibly a visit from an enforcement officer,the most heavy handed it would have needed to get would have been a high vis vest and a clipboard.

And this was probably all carried out before hand.
We still don't know the full story.

@gardeninggirl68

Yes...where are they 'acting like thugs'?

The door being broken down? Are we really so sensitive about that?

They will have had a warrant to gain entry. I don't think it was broken down, they broke the lock. They do that if you refuse them entry or if they suspect something dangerous and want to get in quickly. That isn't being a thug.

LemonRoses

The question is, what crime was committed that required the cost of 47 police officers to break down the door? What were they expecting to find that was so dangerous?”

I don’t know. Neither do you, presumably? Best perhaps to wait and find out before wading in with the accusations of fascism?

Unfortunately dangerous groups have a long history of infiltrating and operating under the cover of peaceable, best intentioned organisations.

Would you rather the security services didn’t follow up on intelligence?

The UK police are becoming nothing more than the enforcement agency for a right wing capitlist, populist and fascist authoritarian government

You will also find that many of those animal rights extremists are now involved with ER (no I won't name names on a public forum) and are driving it now.

I expect those many people are named in the press if you don’t know them personally. Please do link to the information.

@ancientgran

Where in that film are they acting like thugs? Presumably they are acting lawfully with a warrant to enter the building, they gain access and enter in an orderly manner. You might not like it but that doesn't make them thugs, if you have other evidence then maybe share it.

See this:

twitter.com/antepavilion/status/1409489271002697737?s=19

@flashbac That link takes me to a picture of a canal boat with a shark on it. I'm not getting the connection.

@LemonRoses they did a lot more than bombs and bomb threats there was an all out campaign of terror that ranged from nuisance phone calls through vandalism of private property including throwing bricks through the windows of family homes and the death torture and bomb threats and ending with actual bombings.
As soon as any group thinks they have the moral high ground they can and always do ending up excusing any and all behaviour/actions to further their cause

Early warning signs of Fascism from Holocaust museum.

Powerful and continuing nationalism
Disdain for human rights
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media
Obsession with national security
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Labor [sic] power suppressed
Disdain for intellectuals & the arts

Feels like we’re a good way along that path

I’m about as unwoke as you can get and to my eternal regret I even voted for Thatcher’s government. I’m not exactly traditional ultra left.

Weird i just linked it again and it shows a group of policemen seeming to arrest a man who pulled up on a motorbike. I can't see they are being thugs, they might be being unreasonable arresting him but you can't tell from the film. We don't know what he has done or said. Either way it has nothing to do with the raid on the house with the sculpture doesit?

[quote Cabinfever10]@flashbac have you read the posts you linked to? They link the raid to planned protests of the murdoch group[/quote]
The Murdoch group constitute the 'free press'? LMAO!

@LemonRoses the budget is divided up by where the resources were most required the previous financial year. So the protests have caused the resources to shift from departments such as burglary and DV teams, so whilst protesting they protesters themselves have caused the lack of funding, the Police Officers, the human resource of the departments are not deployed, so they are still available, on lower budgets, smaller teams, less overtime to cover. Chuck in Court dates and annual leave the protests by default cause the lack of PO available to assist those types of crimes. My point is I very much doubt those 47 officers were redirected.

See what @flashbac

He obviously was set on causing an issue. Police Nipped it in the bud. Probably saved him from further charges by removing him from the equation!

@LemonRoses

Early warning signs of Fascism from Holocaust museum.

Powerful and continuing nationalism
Disdain for human rights
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media
Obsession with national security
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Labor [sic] power suppressed
Disdain for intellectuals & the arts

Feels like we’re a good way along that path

I’m about as unwoke as you can get and to my eternal regret I even voted for Thatcher’s government. I’m not exactly traditional ultra left.

Most of the general public wouldn't recognise fascism until it bites them on the backside.

I think you've missed the point about that freedom. That the Murdoch Group exists is the unpleasant but inarguable proof of that freedom.

@LemonRoses

Early warning signs of Fascism from Holocaust museum.

Powerful and continuing nationalism
Disdain for human rights
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media
Obsession with national security
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Labor [sic] power suppressed
Disdain for intellectuals & the arts

Feels like we’re a good way along that path

I’m about as unwoke as you can get and to my eternal regret I even voted for Thatcher’s government. I’m not exactly traditional ultra left.

We may well be but that doesn't mean the police officers int he original clip were behaving like thugs.

I like a bit of honesty on both sides, when people start exaggerating or misrepresenting something I can't have any faith in their argument.

@gardeninggirl68

See what *@flashbac*

He obviously was set on causing an issue. Police Nipped it in the bud. Probably saved him from further charges by removing him from the equation!

Arresting people before they commit a crime? Have you heard yourself?

Most of us recognise it no matter what guise it takes.

Parts of the ALF of yesteryear, parts of ER and many other similar organised groups of today.

I'm very glad that they're standing up against ER. Nip it in the bud sp the police dont lose control again like last summer.
I dont want mob rule thugs (ER) running rampage on our streets defacing the environment destroying transport infrastructures and terrorising everyone. They can f right off imo.