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How to be a good friend?

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DeepDown12 · 06/07/2021 07:12

My BF and I have been friends for 20 years. We were always very close and she is Godmother to DD. We both struggled with fertility for almost a decade which made us bond even more, but since we both had DC (my DD is 18m, her DS is 6m) something changed.

BF, though very smart, didn't manage to get the job she wanted out of uni and ended up changing jobs in her 20s which ranged from shitty to shittier (her own words). She finally landed a stable job in public sector and seemed to settle. When she was late 20s she seemed desperate to have a child. That was all she could talk about. She was single at the time. When she was 32 she met her now-DH. They seem like a good match and my DH and I love spending time with them as couples.

They wanted to have a family initially but struggled to conceive (much like we did and for similar reasons). In 2018 we both decided to stop trying and live our lives. She quit her job to assist her DH in his. I changed jobs. However, in April 2019 I got pregnant unexpectedly and had DD in December that year. She was very supportive throughout even if I was a bit concerned that it may be hurting her. But she kept saying she was over it and doesn't want to have a child anymore.

Her DH seemed to still want to have a child but she seemed set against it. In April 2020 she got pregnant equally unexpectedly (fertility issues were on our side not our partners'). For the first weeks (months!) I was constantly on the phone with her because she couldn't decide whether to keep the pregnancy and said she felt she couldn't say that to anyone other than me. My response was always to give her a shoulder to cry on, listen, and tell her that whatever she decides I will be there for her. She decided to keep the baby, but made it very clear to everyone that she was doing it for her DH who very much wanted that baby.

Throughout her pregnancy she seemed matter of fact about it, not excited at all, but was also very very responsible and took all the measures to deliver the baby safely, especially given Covid. She had her DS in December and had a horror of a delivery.

Since then, she's been a SAHM and I can see she's very unhappy. Her parents are very involved (they babysit 2x per week and on request so she gets time alone or alone with her DH). While she still seems matter of fact and doesn't show much affection towards the baby, her DH went into opposite direction and became a proper helicopter parent. They just came back from vacation and all she said was 'It was awful - I spent time either alone or with the two of them. Got no chance to be alone with DH, as he wouldn't be without DS' (another couple of friends with a small child was with them and offered to swap-sit DCs). She said on multiple occasions she'd rather do DHs job and have him be SAHP. The problem is that she can't find a job (not for the lack of trying) and he doesn't seem willing to have her help with his job as he feels she should be with their child.

Our relationship became somewhat strained. Our current situations and emotional responses are completely opposite and I am not sure how to deal with it and be a better friend to her. I went back to FT work when DD was 4m and my DH stayed at home and then started working PT. I feel guilty about that as I wish I could spend more time with DD. I feel like I have no right to say anything when she speaks because I'd either come across as hypocrite or she'd be hurt. So I just listen and focus on her feelings and how could things get better for her. The issue is - I can't fully connect with how she feels and am terrified I'd come across as judgy. But I also am worried about the effect that her detachment from her son will have on him which, I guess, DOES make me a hypocrite?

WWYD? How do I be a better friend?

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Mistyplanet · 06/07/2021 07:47

Sounds like you have been a good friend so far and i dont think theres a harm in mentioning to her that her being like that could harm her son. Maybe shes not even realised this. You have to live out your values too. Its not all about her.

Paddingtonitspaddingtonbear · 06/07/2021 09:18

Sounds like all those years of infertility has had an affect on her mental health. I wonder if she has PND now as well?

I don't think there is much you can do (apart from not comparing your situations) just be a friend/a listening ear.

DeepDown12 · 06/07/2021 12:22

@Mistyplanet - I think about that a lot. Not sure if it would make her feel like the last person who wouldn't judge her just pulled the rug under her feet, or she'd be able to accept that I'm just concerned and not judging her at all.

@Paddingtonitspaddingtonbear, I wonder the same - especially since she had a seriously bad delivery experience. However, she is shutting down - when we meet one on one all she wants to talk is how things were when we were both young and unattached. If she opens up nowadays - it will be to complain either about how frustrated with her situation she is or how irritated by her DHs parenting she is.

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billy1966 · 06/07/2021 12:42

Sounds like you are a good friend for listening well.

Sometimes that is whatvis needed.

I think you can never underestimate the lasting trauma of a difficult delivery.
It can be quite shocking.

I would strongly recommend to her that she should go for counselling for her birthing experience and hopefully in therapy other issues will come up and also be discussed.
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Soverymuchfruit · 06/07/2021 13:14

She quit a job she quite liked to work with her DH? And now he is very hands on as a parent and she is more detached?

So surely her idea makes sense: she should do their job, and he should be the SAHP. Would anyone turn a hair at her parenting style if she were the father? Does it matter to the child which parent is the more cuddly one?

Maybe as you're friends with both of them you should have a quiet word with her DH about his old fashioned attitude about mother needing to be with the baby. It simply sounds like the traditional mould doesn't fit their family.

DeepDown12 · 06/07/2021 13:29

@billy1966 that is a good idea - she won't mind if I gently suggest looking for some support regarding just delivery.

@Soverymuchfruit the problem is that she doesn't have qualifications to do the entire job her DH is doing - she can assist with admin (which is what she was doing - left an admin job to do admin for him) but can't take over the job. I suggested the solution (she works, he's SAHP) already and her response was that she raised it with him and he said he'd be happy to stay at home if she finds a job. The problem is that given their mortgage she'd need to, at least, make 75% of his current salary and she hasn't been able to find a job yet. I do hope she will - I think she'll be much happier, especially if he's happy to stay at home. Of course, he may be bluffing and refuse the 'swap' once it comes to it but he has been a really nice, supportive guy all these years so hopefully not.

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Soverymuchfruit · 06/07/2021 13:48

Ah I see, that's a shame.

But his admin surely still needs doing? Is he doing it for himself at the moment? Could she go back to that a couple of days a week for the moment?

You said in the first place that she's v smart but never found her professional niche, maybe she could take this moment to reflect on what she really wants to be doing and if there's some professional qualifications she could look into.

DeepDown12 · 06/07/2021 14:11

@Soverymuchfruit I too think it would be the best and this is where I think they do have a misunderstanding. He doesn't object to her finding a job but wants one parent with the baby (their son is 6 - almost 7m old) until he's at least 1. He says he would love to be the one staying with the baby but she can't find a job, let alone one that would match their needs financially and without him working - there's no admin for her to do.

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Soverymuchfruit · 06/07/2021 14:30

Why does it have to be the same parent everyday / all day? Why can't he switch to parent duty just during the hours he's currently doing admin?

I don't think there's anything about babies needing the same principle carer 24/7, is there? Plenty are in some sort of daycare by 7 anyway.

DeepDown12 · 06/07/2021 15:28

I obviously have zero objections to that given that it is my DH who took the lion's share of childcare for DD and now she's in nursery and part time looked after by him. Not sure if the two of them can get to a similar solution though.

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