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That now is the time to stop contact and he can take it to court if he wishes

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Bedtimesnacksisback · 28/06/2021 22:57

Ok so I posted under a NC a poor reverse. Not something I have done before so i apologise. This is my normal user name and I am the resident parent of the children involved.

Have 4 kids with ex husband. We split as he was abusive to me. He has to convictions for assault against me. I filed for divorce and when I did he began threatening to kill me . He was cautioned for it and I had to go via women’s aid and get a non mol. It was in place for 12 months and his mum acted as the point of contact on pick up for the kids. I have posted about our break up and what followed.

He moved in with his parents and then into one room so never had space to have them overnight. Last May he met someone online and in January he moved 100 miles away and in with her and her teenager. He still says there’s no room to have them overnight. Even when I have suggested an air mattress in the lounge etc. It all falls on deaf ears. We don’t even know his actual address as he won’t tell anyone. He’s not even taken the kids there for the day for a bbq in the garden or visit
He sees them once a week between 10-6 roughly. They are often dropped back having not had dinner despite me saying I am out or at work and they need feeding before they return.

The kids have only met his new partner twice. Second time being yesterday. This morning on the way to school my 8 year old told me she gave him a Chinese burn for pushing my daughter too roughly on a zip line. Father asked him to stop several times which he ignored so she did that . Apparently he was there when she did and it was her messing about and my son said it wasn’t hard. I was furious but kept calm and didn’t show that to the children. I messaged their father to ask about it today very calmly politely rationally. He said he was there and witnessed it and it’s a non issue. She didn’t leave a mark and he was his usual cheeky self after.

When kids came home from school I brought it up and my 10 year old said she did the same to him earlier in the Day as he was being boisterous messing around with his brother and he pulled his shorts down . It wasn’t a full Chinese burn it was a twist like she was going to give him one but twisted it slightly then let go. These are my sons descriptions. I am absolutely fucking furious.

She’s a total stranger still getting to know them and should be trying to win them over . He doesn’t think it’s an issue. I am being made out to be a drama queen a trouble maker and picking holes as I am jealous.

My eldest son who’s 15 said she pulled his ear lobe and yanked his ear later back at his grandparents house again in front of everyone as they were messing around ‘bantering’ mimicking her laugh. Again it’s not fucking acceptable. My son has clearly stated he no longer wishes to be in her company and hE wants an apology from the woman.

Now after all what has happened his general shit parenting and lack of bothering and now this I am inclined to stop contact and IF he wants to see them I will go to court take the texts where he admits she grabbed his ear but and I quote - yes she pulled his ear. Did it leave a bruise or hurt. No !! And go for him only having supervised contact.

On the other hand I am being gas lit and made out to be this jealous psycho who will pick on anything to cause trouble as I am jealous. She’s been in his words ‘fully briefed on me and he’s done his homework’ she knows nothing of his abusive past violence or the non mol and so on. At one point I did consider whether to tell her as she has him living with her and her teenage daughter. He’s there with her daughter alone sometimes while she works shifts. I am also a key worker who does shifts and when he was furloughed during lockdown he refused to help or provide any childcare whatsoever . I was told if I lost my job and home because I couldn’t work the kid would have to go into care.

There’s so much more I could write. I had a gas leak at home last week and asked him to have the children overnight to stay as I had no cooking or way of heating water to wash . He refused. Said sorry no space and I Have a job interview why can’t your landlord put you in a travel lodge and then why can’t your mum help out !!

Also the only way I have of contacting this woman is through her facebook. Should I message her direct as raising this with their father has been completely pointless. Or shall I just block everywhere and see what if anything comes from the courts.

There is no way I want this woman around my children and the fact he thinks all this is playing about banter and a big fuss is sickening and fucking disgusting quite frankly. I want to cause hell and get hold of her for this but I need to be calm and keep a rational head about this.

If you have got this far thanks. And again sorry for those who I pissed off with the reverse .

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Pebbledashery · 28/06/2021 22:59

You answered your own question with your thread title op.

Palavah · 28/06/2021 23:04

Don't message her directly. There is no point, she won't listen and you risk saying something regrettable.

I'm not a lawyer but I'd have thought that if your children are being physically threatened in their father's house then YWNBU to stop sending them.

Bedtimesnacksisback · 28/06/2021 23:08

Yes I have no garantee she will see the message in the others part of her inbox and quite frankly their father as the parent should be backing his children and dealing with this. I have raised it with him. I haven’t at any stage given any indication as to my thoughts or feelings on what’s gone on or what I am of a mind to do next. I kept to the facts asked him to clarify what happened and told (with my sons blessing ) his father that he doesn’t wish to see her and he wants an apology. All of that was ignored and looked over and he simply said she didn’t leave a mark or a bruise.

Not the fucking point!!!!!!!

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CoffeeNeeded2019 · 28/06/2021 23:09

I’d stop contact and let him go through the court
The new woman has assaulted your children and they have made it clear they don’t want to be around her, and neither should they be
He’s not acting like their father
Let him explain to social services or a judge why he let that happen to his children
He’s showing you he doesn’t care for them properly by refusing to help in lockdown/not feeding them/helping with the gas leak etc so hard as it is, try and stop expecting him to
If it were me & my children they’d not be seeing that vile woman again and I’d be tempted to report to the police if I’m honest

Funnylittlefloozie · 28/06/2021 23:11

Stop sending them. The whole situation is a total clusterfuck, and your kids are better of out of it, from the sounds of it. If he can be arsed to go to court, then he can have contact.

I would be RAGING if my exH's new GF laid a finger on my kid, even if it was meant to be in fun.

Ginger1982 · 28/06/2021 23:14

Stop contact immediately. Your kids have disclosed abuse. Let him go to court (bet he won't).

Bedtimesnacksisback · 28/06/2021 23:14

My mum said report to the police but to be honest given how crap they were dealing with him threatening me and so on I am sure nothing will come of it. No marks no bruises. The younger children say she’s nice and it didn’t hurt she was playing about.

It’s taken me saying playing about or not it’s not what you do . I don’t do it to you. Neither does any other adult you have contact with and you don’t know this woman!

My eldest has said she was hard and rough with him. Apparently their dad told them she’s very strict with her own daughter (that’s on her she’s her parent) and when her daughter has really over stepped the mark she’s had a smack across the back of the legs or bottom. Obviously no way of knowing If this is true or if it’s him trying to justify and downplay it all.

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Chloemol · 28/06/2021 23:31

Stop contact. Then he can take you to court and you provide all the evidence you have

Bedtimesnacksisback · 29/06/2021 07:05

Thanks all

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Menora · 29/06/2021 07:19

No do not message her and stop contact

Longestfewdaysupcoming · 29/06/2021 07:22

Stop contact.

But also tell your kids not to wind people up by mocking their laugh and pulling down trousers.

BlackeyedSusan · 29/06/2021 07:26

Report them to social services.

OurChristmasMiracle · 29/06/2021 07:39

Personally this stranger has physically assaulted 3 or your children so I would be going to the police and speaking to social services to get their backing in stopping of contact as their father has not only failed to protect them but still sees no issue with the behaviour.

EleanorOlephantisjustfine · 29/06/2021 08:01

@OurChristmasMiracle this exactly.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 29/06/2021 08:04

Why are you encouraging any contact with a person who was so abusive and threatening to you? Stop all contact. Don't ask him for help or encourage overnight visits. Keep the evidence of his girlfriend's abuse in case he goes to court, which I doubt he will.

Northernsoullover · 29/06/2021 08:08

I would definitely stop contact. It doesn't matter how you are perceived. If he takes it to court Cafcass would speak to the children.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 29/06/2021 08:14

I'm wondering about your motivation here. On the one hand you are suggesting that you believe his new DP is abusive (and that he doesn't feed them), on the other you are clearly angry that he doesn't take them more than 8 hours a week, and has repeatedly refused to take them overnight.

What do you really want here? What is the outcome you would be happiest with?

If you are hoping the court will make him look after his children without bringing them in contact with the new DP, it won't happen. Not is it his mother's responsibility to help him look after them.

ludothedog · 29/06/2021 08:16

She has assaulted your children, of course you shouldn't be sending them to contact!

I wouldn't have been sending them to contact with their father either after he has assaulted you. Good dads don't assault their childrens mothers. Good dads don't have non mol orders either.

Contact should always be in the best interest in the best interests of the children and clearly it's not. Stop it! They're also at an age where they get a say in it too. I can't imagine trying to make a 15 year old go if they don't want to.

Bedtimesnacksisback · 29/06/2021 08:17

Yes the first thing I said was why are you doing that it’s rude and bullying to be mocking someone
Same as my other son was asked several times to stop being rough with the zip line and paid no attention. However I wasn’t there at the time and it was their fathers job to challenge the behaviour and remove them from the room / park / some other sanction. Absolutely fuck all to do with her and no one needs to be resorting to horseplay or getting physical. As I say he sees the children for a few hours once a week (his choice) there’s no contact in between no phone calls FaceTimes or anything. In the January lockdown this year when he moved in with her he didn’t see / call or FaceTime or even ask after the children via me for 3 months
I have challenged him on this since and he said so what you don’t get to divorce me and dictate what I do
I seriously question a woman who meets a man with 4 kids and doesn’t wonder why he’s not seen or spoken to them in 3 months. So I can only imagine the lies he’s fed her. !! That’s irrelevant to this and a whole other thread in itself. I am just venting really.

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Bedtimesnacksisback · 29/06/2021 08:20

My children have wanted to see their dad . If at any point one of them hasn’t wanted to see him I have said they can stay home. I have been led by them and never ever pushed the point
Same with things like Christmas and Father’s Day . If they wanted to buy a card and present I would facilitate it. They didn’t this year so the day was completely ignored .

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EmeraldShamrock · 29/06/2021 08:20

I knew it was a reverse.
He is a selfish person he probably won't bother.

30degreesandmeltinghere · 29/06/2021 08:23

Block him. Then be glad he has no influence on your dc or an opportunity for them to be abused...

Itsstartingtorainout · 29/06/2021 08:27

Yes, what you said in your thread title. He sounds like an arsehole and she sounds just as bad.

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