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To think we all need to learn to love second hand

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Ravenspeckingontheroof · 26/06/2021 06:48

Second hand almost everything? Go onto eBay; there are 92000 used size 10 tops for sale, 4500 used travel systems, 1700 used Bluetooth speakers. Go to your local recycling centre and watch people throw perfectly useable furniture away.
We are literally drowning in cast offs many of which will go to landfill, but which are perfectly useable.
I’d say about 1/3 of my wardrobe is preloved and maybe 10% of our household furniture. I love going and choosing new things. But I think choosing preloved needs to become a first choice, and we should be incentivised to do so.
But if I walk down any high street, read any magazine, pick up my phone I am bombarded with ads for all the new things I ‘need’. Every single shop is rammed with more stuff to buy. Our society depends on us buying more stuff. How do we fix this?

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randomsabreuse · 27/06/2021 11:52

I struggle with second hand because I am an awkward shape for a lot of clothes so have to try stuff on. Especially higher end brands that tend to be cut for less curvy people. I haven't found any brands that are reliable for me or I would be looking on eBay.

If I like something I wear it forever, I'm not a follower of fashion. I still wear the winter coat I bought in my first year of university (22 years ago) when it's suitable (smart +cold weather) and use my old school coat (wool, sack shape) for things like bonfire night.

Also I hate shopping. 90% of recent purchases are from the supermarket while I'm shopping (plain cotton tops) with a bit of online for things like skater dresses as I know that they work with my shape.

I lack the time and patience to trawl charity shops because I mostly clothes shop under duress (need eg black trousers or jeans because last pair have died) and basic staples are probably least likely to survive to be passed on!

kowari · 27/06/2021 11:58

Do you agree? Disagree? Would love to hear thoughts and discuss it.
Are the clothes unsuitable for fabric recycling?

AzraiL · 27/06/2021 12:05

For arguments sake we'll say yes, but there was no mention of it in the article.

randomsabreuse · 27/06/2021 12:05

I don't patch my jeans because they would be heinously uncomfortable if patched in the only place they get holes, which also precludes making them into shorts. Anything with a hole in the inseam region is not repairable because the repair will rub, which is annoying as it's where all my leg coverings fail!

kowari · 27/06/2021 12:14

With incineration versus landfill, does that mean backyard incineration? Or a council run incinerator?

StarCourt · 27/06/2021 12:44

I always look for second hand items first. Shpock, Marketplace, eBay etc are my shops.
The only things I tend to buy new are things like a laptop because I want the security of a warranty.
I can't afford to buy new anyway.
I'm going out for a friends birthday soon and bought a gorgeous dress secondhand that was over £120 new last year. It cost me £10!
I love online bargain hunting

DanielODonkey · 27/06/2021 15:48

@AzraiL

As burning of clothes is quite common where I am, I looked online and found this titbit:

Incineration is better than landfill. While some old clothes are re-sold, re-used and go to good causes, the bulk end up in in a hole in the ground. There the natural fabrics contribute to methane production which is a powerful greenhouse gas. The synthetics contribute to plastics pollution: fashion accounts for up to 35 per cent of microplastic flows into the ocean

Do you agree? Disagree? Would love to hear thoughts and discuss it.

In UK landfill in modern cells, they are fully lined so that there is no OR minimal leachate to the water courses. Methane is also captured to be used as a gas for fuel or heating.

Incineration on an industrial facility scale is better than landfill because you remove all recyclable materials first, the remaining material is burned or combusted in a sealed facility where the heat is captured and conceded to energy (for heat or electricity) and emissions are captured and treated. Mostly through ammonia bags on chimneys, the ammonia bags are generally landfilled because they are so toxic. Tuere is possobility of tiny particulate matter being emitted to air which is damaging to humans but generally mitigated. The remains from incineration are also very toxic due to heavy metals so landfilled (in those lined and treated cells).

Burning random fabric on a campsite is not incineration. And if you are sitting round your campfire as you burn the fabric, you are effectively breathing in the toxins within the material - from the fabric itself as well as the dyes. They are also released into the wider atmosphere.

So please, please stop burning fabric.

Freckers · 27/06/2021 16:27

@KeflavikAirport

I set up a tools library in my town for stuff like big ladders, lawnmowers, twin prams etc that are only of use rarely or for a short time. Did you know the average drill is used for eight minutes in its lifetime ? It’s ridiculous that everyone has one and uses it once every two years.
I'm in an informal arrangement with family on this although it's helped by the fact that we live close together. Step ladders, power drill, hedge trimmer, strimmer, wallpaper steamer. One of each between four households.
WaltzForDebbie · 27/06/2021 16:49

I think it depends. In an unusual shape (narrow shoulders and big boobs) and often have to try on 10+ dresses to find one that fits so it's just not worth buying second hand. Furniture _ yes we have quite a lot second hand but if we need something with exact measurements it's hard to buy second hand.

Veryverycalmnow · 27/06/2021 16:50

Great post. Second hand is great!

TheRebelle · 27/06/2021 17:38

I’ll volunteer to buy the new stuff and pass it on so you can have 2nd hand.

ERFFER · 27/06/2021 17:56

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kindaclassy · 27/06/2021 18:00

because it’s just astounding the amount of products/food/clothes/swaddles/bottles uou have to try before you find what baby likes!?

Confused

you might be over-complicating things a tad!

DanceItOut · 27/06/2021 18:01

I buy a lot of the clothes for me and the kids secondhand. I have never had a brand new sofa always second hand. However most of my furniture like desks and bookcases are new and the main reason is price. I went to a local preloved furniture shop run by a charity and they had the exact IKEA shelves I wanted second hand but MORE expensive than they are brand new in IKEA. I pointed it out politely to a member of staff and said I was happy to pay the same amount they are new since it would save me a journey but they said prices are not negotiable and got quite aggressive about it. So I hopped back into my car and drove the 13 miles down the road to IKEA and got new ones for less.

JaninaDuszejko · 27/06/2021 18:06

There should be more of this kind of thing to stop us all buying things we don't need: Library of Things. Every time I read this article I think about our chocolate fountain that we got as a present a few years ago that comes out once in a blue moon.

Weemovitchski · 27/06/2021 18:13

I bought these Dr Martens off eBay for £18. They are the older Made in England ones
Bit of Cherry Blossom and new laces 😍

To think we all need to learn to love second hand
To think we all need to learn to love second hand
bellocchild · 27/06/2021 18:16

I've done well on eBay backing up shoes and trainers that have turned out to be brilliant with another pair. They are frequently new too, still with labels on. Much cheaper.

Bertiebiscuit · 27/06/2021 18:29

100%agee - 90 % of my clothes and furniture come from charity shops - helps the charities ad isabon neutral - plus love scouting around in charity shops you never know what reassure you will find - ad yu gey better quality win/win

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BraveBraveMouse · 27/06/2021 18:29

We need proper thrift stores like they have in US, which are like charity shops on a supermarket scale. I'd love to buy children's clothing second hand but don't have time to hunt through multiple tiny shops, nor do I have time for eBay.

Pre Covid I loved NCT sales, where I could look through everything and buy a big haul.

mylifestory · 27/06/2021 18:31

I only chose unreasonable as I buy very few things, maybe more expensive than most bt good quality that i use for years, from clothes to furniture. and then i give away. No splurging here!

BraveBraveMouse · 27/06/2021 18:34

I keep trying to pass on my baby items to other mums via Facebook marketplace (for free) but have given up as I don't have time for time wasters who say they will collect and never turn up. Like another poster said, having a baby you do end up with loads of hardly used stuff, either because they don't like it or grow out if it.

pam290358 · 27/06/2021 18:42

Pre loved definitely the way to go. I have the Vinted app and have bought and sold very successfully through it.

Livinthedream84 · 27/06/2021 18:44

A lot of second hand clothes are overpriced these days especially on eBay as the seller needs to cover costs. I refuse to pay £18 (secondhand) for a £20 (new) jumpsuit for example. Yes there are thousands of tops on eBay but they are only a couple of quid cheaper than new and some of them are very worn.

Charity shops are also similar due to their large overheads. Lately I saw a bag for £3 quite worn and the exact same one was currently selling in primark for £3.50

I’d love to shop second hand but I feel I can’t afford to!

Bard6817 · 27/06/2021 18:48

Great post.

When i met my partner and her 2 kids, i quickly became a step dad and i’ve loved every moment of it. Bit weird as i’d never got on with kids prior to this point. Anyway, she was from a poor background, as was I, but i’d managed to become wealthy but was still quite unhappy with my lot in life.

The first xmas we had as a family, I went a bit mad with presents for the kids, they loved it of course but strangely we started to see changes in them shortly after, as though they had become ‘entitled’.

We ended up spending most of our free cash on her house, making it lovely, then we stumbled across Minimalism….

I’d hoarded watches, clothing, toys, up til then, so as we embarked on that, i got rid of what wasn’t important, selling on, or passing to friends who would make use.

As we became more fussy about what we spent on, we then started to be very well off, and when we did spend, it was on “experiences not stuff” and we have had amazing times as a family.

Now it seems so obvious, what do i remember from my childhood, was it gifts and toys, or was it the time we went to XXxXx or the time we did yyyyyyy. It was the experiences i recall from my childhood, not the stuff i had or was given.

We may have taken it too far, because we do now grudge spending on anything consumer like, he said writing on an iphone 6s, DP had a 6. But we just don’t need the upgrade, they are perfectly good phones.

So, in answer to your question.. Yes second hand is brilliant, getting it giving, you can treat yourself occassionally, and you can actually be wealthier by not being sucked into consumerism and getting the latest item.

The weird thing is though, you’ll actually be happier too, because I personally feel consumerism is a bit like an addiction and you will never be able to satisfy it.