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To think gps need to unlock the doors/open properly

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Nousernameforme · 25/06/2021 08:05

Theres an article on the bbc about childrens a&e being overwhelmed by visits that aren't needed. Aibu to think that these people would have taken their children to the gp had they been able to? I know that they say a lot of them wouldn't have needed to see a gp but the viruses right now are horrible, probably due to everyones immune system being protected for a year, so it's harder to tell what needs help and what will get better on it's own.
My youngest has just got over the most awful virus which if it had not turned a corner when it did I would have got him medical assistance and if I can't get it from a gp I would have had to take him to a&e.

Our gp surgery is locked up the phone lines are only for those who have no internet and if you do get through all they do is put a request through on the ask my gp thing. I or members of my family have tried to see the dr for about 9 things this past year and got in once. 4 times we were prescribed antibiotics having not seen a dr.
Can we not have an official unlocking of the gp surgerys now please.

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Doilooklikeatourist · 25/06/2021 11:33

Our GP surgery is back to normal , you just wait in your car in the car park until the Dr or nurse is ready for you then into the surgery you go

dreamingbohemian · 25/06/2021 11:33

But @sparemonitor funding has gone down for every GP, correct? So why do some have practices have online appointment systems and some do not?

It's clear from reading all the problems people are having that a huge amount of the frustration and complaints has to do with actually getting through to the GPs, being able to set up appointments. So addressing this major issue would go a long way toward reducing that. I don't see this as a patient want instead of a need, it's about managing demand effectively.

So if everyone has funding cuts, is it just personal preference that some GPs do online appointments and some don't?

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 25/06/2021 11:43

I wouldn’t mind a telephone consultation but they won’t give you an actual appointment time just a “window”. In my case I was told “between 8.30am and 4 pm Tuesday or Wednesday”. I explained that I would not be able to have my phone until after 1.30 on those days as I was at work. I was told that the doctor would try me twice between the times originally stated and if I could not answer then I would have to start again. My phone did show two missed calls… both on the Wednesday one at just after 10am and the other 10 minutes later. At that time I had been in a meeting regarding a child safeguarding issue…..

AzureTwist · 25/06/2021 11:45

We have used A&as for a child, and will continue to do so until Gp’s will actually either talk on the phone or see my child! A&E visit resulted in needing a consultant referral, it was that serious, yet the triage nurse phonecall from our Gp practice blocked us from even seeing or talking to a Gp. Tried to go private for a Gp but Bupa and other local provider would not see children.

Was at Gp’s yesterday for a midwife appointment - waiting ages, only one other person was there the whole time - a patient for the nurse. Nobody else in the waiting room ( bar the other pregnant lady that took rather a long time.) I felt so safe, as no staff or patients visible!

crikeycrumbsblimey · 25/06/2021 11:45

Sadly it is very dependant upon the individual surgery. Ours is completely impossible now - I have test results which show abnormal organ function and blood pressure sky high (I have low blood pressure) from 3 weeks ago. I cannot speak or see anyone and the receptionist I just spoke to lied to me about something (I know because she said she couldn't see something on my record which they absolutely can and she did when I told her it was possible else had). I'm ill, exhausted and scared.
My friend is a GP and she sees between 3-5 people a day as well as triage; I don't know anyone who has actually had a physical appointment with our doctors (the nurses are seeing people!) since last March.

sparemonitor · 25/06/2021 11:45

@Foxyloxy1plus1

We have e consult. As much use as the proverbial.

Last year’s asthma review was a phone consultation. This year, not even that. A form to fill in. I could have lied on all the answers. How would they know?

you can lie just as easily face to face....
sparemonitor · 25/06/2021 11:46

@BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou

I wouldn’t mind a telephone consultation but they won’t give you an actual appointment time just a “window”. In my case I was told “between 8.30am and 4 pm Tuesday or Wednesday”. I explained that I would not be able to have my phone until after 1.30 on those days as I was at work. I was told that the doctor would try me twice between the times originally stated and if I could not answer then I would have to start again. My phone did show two missed calls… both on the Wednesday one at just after 10am and the other 10 minutes later. At that time I had been in a meeting regarding a child safeguarding issue…..
I agree this is an issue. We do our best to stick to reasonable requests such as 'avoid 9 - 11 please' or 'works as a teacher, please call between x times'.
Foxyloxy1plus1 · 25/06/2021 11:46

It does seem to be very arbitrary. People aren’t being seen at our surgery, but I’ve seen full car parks at others, so they must have face to face appointments.

I’m sure plenty of diagnoses come from seeing a patient in person, where you can gauge the level of pain standing up or sitting down, for example, or look for other signs and symptoms.

I don’t think filling in forms can give that level of nuanced information.

NotPersephone · 25/06/2021 11:53

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BungleandGeorge · 25/06/2021 11:55

@covidandborisandworld

Agree Agree Agree

If dentists and other health services physio etc can open so can they! All gps should be double jabbed ages ago.

It’s not quite the same thing is it? I have to go through a questionnaire the day before with the dentist and they scan temp and confirm no illness before letting you in. There’s no waiting room, you wait outside and they are on vastly reduced capacity. What op is asking for is emergency access for people who are actually unwell and have symptoms- your dentist/ physio only people without symptoms or contact with covid. People go to a GP specifically because they’re unwell. I agree services need to be improved but it’s not a case of just opening up as GP surgeries are very high risk for spreading covid. Blame the government for not funding any sort of alternative. Routine treatment should be opening up (I think this varies too much depending on GP practice) but that isn’t what the op was complaining about
TidyOmlette · 25/06/2021 11:57

My GP surgery is telephone constellations first then appts if needed. The only thing that really pisses me off so that they can’t give you a call back time it’s between 9-6. If it was an appointment I would have a time so why can’t they give me one for a call back? Even within an hour’s time frame would be better

Bolshybun · 25/06/2021 11:57

I’m on the fence with regards my GP surgery. In 10 months no one had seen me in person (5 attempts) and had me send in photographs of what they initially thought was eczema. Finally saw a dermatologist a fortnight ago who was astounded I hadn’t seen anyone in person, he had to start from scratch with my assessment. The issue at my surgery is triage, I got a call back from my GP today over a flare in my symptoms. He hadn’t read my hospital letter and was incredibly unsympathetic to the fact I can’t sleep. Still won’t see me in person. They just keep throwing steroid cream at me with no in-person assessment.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2021 11:59

So the remaining lot are being told they are a lazy lot. Nice.

I don't think this is the problem tbh.

There's been enough threads on MN about the problematic triage and how its not only frustrating but daft. Here's just two examples on this thread.

It’s stupid. I also had to book my whooping cough vaccine. I rang up and the receptionist told me I first would be booked in for a telephone appointment confused to ascertain if I needed to be seen. I argued the toss and said I did need to be seen because how do you administer a vaccine over the phone? But she wouldn’t budge. So last week I had to have a telephone appointment with the nurse who agreed that yes, I could come in in person for the vaccine. Bloody stupid.

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I think it is the inconsistencies that annoys me. A practice near me is operating pretty much as usual. Mine has been appalling. Recently found a breast lump. Had a phone appointment to determine if I needed to be seen. Then a telephone appointment just before my face to face appointment then the face to face appointment and referral. What could have been done in one face to face appointment took three appointment slots.

The problem when you start putting barriers up and making people jump through hoops, is that people won't. By nature many will just take the easiest route possible or if they are anxious, just be so put off by the whole process and panic.

This system isn't working. And given that things are reopening in the next month, I do think there needs to be some rethinking of this type of triaging where its been done extensively. Its the thing thats putting extra pressure on staff in its own right. Its not just proving problematic for patients.

Doctors work best if they have good relationships and contact with patients. This triage system is interferring with that and its damaging trust between the two. Thats why you are seeing comments about 'timewasters' and criticism of doctors.

In reality new parents need that contact even for minor things, because its not just about the illness that child has. Its about an ongoing relationship between doctor and patient and feeling that you can approach the doctor for anything even if its trival. Because that is good for worried parents' mental health and makes them more likely to go to the doctor for other things which might be important.

We HAVE created this culture of the worried well, but the flip side to this is messaging about 'do not see a doctor unless you need to' resonnances with different people in different ways. It doesn't stop the 'timewasters' - it makes the 'considerate patient' who actually does need to see the doctor think 'oh I don't want to waste their time with this' and they instead put up with things that really do need medical attention.

One of the big things here is the number of parents who have lost various forms of social support over the last 18 months. They don't necessarily have relationships with other parents to reassure them and to give them more confidence. And yes there is anxiety about covid.

The issue with GPs is they have to deal with all the 'boy who cried wolf' type situations because of the times when those 'minor' cases turn out to be a go straight to A&E moment. Being unprofessional about it (and tbh I find a couple of the posts by HCPs on this thread concerning from that point of view as they potentially could have unintended consequences) is unhelpful as are the 'but my surgery is open' comments. The point is - as people are pointing out - that thats not necessarily the case everywhere and there is a public perception from some that surgeries are 'closed' because they've had real trouble accessing their GP and have in certain situations felt incredibly unwelcome and made to feel like a nuisance. Thats a huge deal and it matters.

It is very clear there is an element of 'jobsworths' being a problem. Patients can't just vote with their feet and change surgeries if they are unlucky enough to be registered at a practice which is like this. They are stuck with it.

Inconsistencies and barriers are the issue.

Its alienating people who just want to see a doctor, any doctor, because they need reassurance.

At this point, if we are talking about this being an issue of 'protecting vulnerable patients' we need to be switching to a system of identifying these patients and directing them down a managed route whilst putting others into more open system in terms of access. So for example you have a dedicated doctor / area / system for more vulnerable patients. All of these should be double vaccinated where possible now anyway.

Letsallscreamatthesistene · 25/06/2021 12:02

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MrsBerthaRochester · 25/06/2021 12:02

My experience of trying to access gp care this past year has directly contributed to my trying to commit suicide. Twice. Both times requiring hospital stays.
You literally can go weeks trying to get them to answer phone. I have never spoken to same gp twice, been given medication with no checks and refused psychiatric help.
I have other people liasing with gp due to my mental health and they have experienced the exact same on my behalf. I won't survive another year of this.

MissChanandlerBong90 · 25/06/2021 12:04

I was nearly one of the guilty ones who took a toddler to A&E. My son was a year old and had some horrible sore throat - dribbling uncontrollably, a nasty rash on his face and neck, fever, not eating at all and barely drinking. The GP initially refused to see him without a Covid test - fair enough, why should they take risks by seeing a child who has Covid symptoms without a test (this was last year, before vaccines). When I got a negative Covid test they reluctantly agreed to see him in person - by this point he’d become very drowsy and hard to wake and we were really worried. But when I got there, the GP refused to examine his throat because of Covid (despite the fact he had a negative Covid test in the last 24 hours). I insisted on seeing another GP who did agree to examine his throat, in light of the negative test, and diagnosed a nasty bacterial throat infection. It got better very quickly on antibiotics.

But we’d have been down at A&E without a doubt if it hadn’t been for the common sense of the second GP.

CousinKrispy · 25/06/2021 12:07

I absolutely love phone appointments (though I can understand they're not appropriate in every situation) and I love that they are now requested via a web form. What I don't love is that my GP surgery won't book any appointments even a day in advance--you have to contact them first thing to snap up one of the appointments for the day. Why not give me an appointment in two weeks' time for my non-urgent thing rather than making me resubmit the form every day??

TroysMammy · 25/06/2021 12:07

What's needed is a fly on the wall programme of what really goes on in a GP surgery not the gentle having a chat with the GP about ailments but the front and back office of Reception, the frustrations of trying to get a patient needing be referred to hospital as an immediate but not life threatening case, the admin, blood tests, telephone queries etc etc. It will never happen though because of patient confidentiality.

CousinKrispy · 25/06/2021 12:08

Hugs MrsBerthaRochester. Obviously in some cases phone appointments (if you can even get one) aren't good enough and I'm so sorry you're struggling to get treatment.

dreamingbohemian · 25/06/2021 12:08

there is a public perception from some that surgeries are 'closed' because they've had real trouble accessing their GP and have in certain situations felt incredibly unwelcome and made to feel like a nuisance.

I think that's exactly right. GPs might be open and seeing patients and working hard, but if people cannot access treatment at all then for all intents and purposes that GP is closed to them.

This is why I think things like online appointments or even being told where you are in the queue while on hold are so helpful. I think a lot of people will understand they may need to wait a while for an appointment but if they can't even get through to anyone or have to keep calling every day, then it's like banging on a closed door constantly.

Redcart21 · 25/06/2021 12:10

There’s been no difference seeing my GP pre Covid and now. Can contact via phone/online and theyve been doing in-person appointments throughout.

There’s not enough GPs. Matt Hancock said he wants GPs to become more digital and only go for an appointment if it can’t be sorted over the phone/online. It’s a government issue

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olidora63 · 25/06/2021 12:12

TBH it has been ridiculous. My grandchild has been on 4 doses of ABs all prescribed over the phone. In desperation I did take her to AE with 39.7 temp,chesty,dry nappies and sat it out for 4 hrs . Paediatrician said that he is seeing so many unwell children whose parents have given up with the GP service! It really is not unreasonable to expect an unwell toddler to be properly examined by a DR and I worry about the vulnerable children whose parents have not had the time,ability or means to get their child properly checked out .

MissChanandlerBong90 · 25/06/2021 12:13

Sorry I pressed send too soon - so I think part of the problem, as well as general availability, is that if you have a child with Covid-like symptoms it’s very difficult to get them seen by a GP now. At least without a negative test. Whereas you can get seen at A&E. I’m not going to pretend I know what the answer to that problem is because GPs surgeries obviously need to keep staff and other patients safe.

Gronk27 · 25/06/2021 12:16

Some of these parent's have never experienced their children being properly poorly either. It's only recent that viruses have started going around again. I rang 111 for my daughter in her first year and they sent me to a&e and I ended up taking her back and although in hindsight it wasn't needed, the lovely doctor reassured me and said they will always see them and I'd done the right thing. Maybe people don't feel able to go to GP. I don't think A&E would be my first choice at the moment though!