Rapists not prosecuted but bum slapper goes on register- fair?

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I wonder if this is a fair outcome, given recent reports that rapists are likely to get off scot free: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9722289/Royal-Navy-seaman-kicked-military-slapping-female-sailor-bottom.html

Did you read the article? His punishment is definitely fair.

That doesn't alter the fact it is so hard to get a prosecution for rape and therefore the punishment for rape does not fit the crime

Why is it one or the other? You should face legal consequences for any unwanted social contact - whether it be rape or touching your (teenage) colleague’s bottom..

Yes of course it's fair he was prosecuted. Have you actually READ what he did??

No idea why you're bring rapists into this though.

*sexual contact

You’re right OP, it isn’t fair that rapists don’t get prosecuted.

Assuming you mean your statement that way? Rather than the frankly ludicrous suggestion that just because some rapists get off with no consequences then no one else should be punished for sexual assault?

His punishment is fair.

What's not fair is that rapists get away with their crimes all too often.

At the end of the day it comes down to what can be proven in court. I'd love all victims to get justice, unfortunately some cases are easier to prove than others.

You’re comparing apples and oranges though

He got sacked for committing gross misconduct, in uniform/at work too. Most people would for slapping the arse of a 17 year old. That’s separate from the criminal recourse

He got convicted because presumably there were witnesses and evidence - and because there’s a clear pattern of him harassing her over months and making multiple sexual comments. It wasn’t an isolated incident so easier to paint bad character. Likewise, this is why he was placed on the register - he was actively targeting her and becoming more intense. It was effectively a slam dunk.

Rape convictions have difficult succeeding due to the high bar of evidence needed and the fact that there usually aren’t witnesses so it’s one person’s word against another

over a period of three months Hallimond became obsessed with the junior sailor and on one occasion shocked her by saying 'it's nice to see you have red underwear in your drawer.'

He made inappropriate comments to her 'on a daily basis' and 'could not keep his hands off her', it was alleged.

The court martial heard that on another occasion Hallimond ran into the woman during a basketball game and touched her breasts.

Why are you reducing all that to “bum slapper” OP?

So because not all rapists are caught, we shouldn’t punish a 39 year old man who sexually harassed/assaulted a 17 year old over a period of several months? 🧐

There is a system in existence whereby people are awarded a result based on where they are as compared to everybody else within the wider cohort.

That's GCSEs.

Not sexual violence.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

It wasn't just a slap on the bum. It was prolonged assault over months. Luckily there were witnesses who presumably helped to convict him.

You're right that the conviction rate for rapists is woeful, but the point is that rape is not usually witnessed by others so it's harder to prove.

As others have pointed out, it was prolonged sexually abusive behaviour. Not a smack on the bum.

You're not wrong about the disgraceful stats on rape charges, but this is a small victory. Not small to the victim, but any time a man loses his job, standing or anything else, for sexually abusing a woman, it's a win.

Yes, rapists should also be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as well as all sexual predators. If you are implying that this man shouldn’t be prosecuted as others have done worse crimes, where does that end? How can that rapist be jailed when a pedophile wasn’t convicted but what about child killers but what about war criminals who committed genocide and on and on. All people who break the law should be prosecuted, it’s just a shame this creature got away with it for as long as he did.