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AIBU for pretending to give him a chance?

28 replies

Braneycat · 23/06/2021 16:12

Okay bare with me because it's a bit long, and I also have to be fairly vague for legal reasons

Me and my ex were together for 12 years, two kids. There were good bits but overall kinda a waste of time, apart from my children. He spent all of it chasing dreams, which meant we spent a lot of time in too small houses, no car, no holidays. Just perpetually skint.
He is also fairly mentally abusive and the reason he got away with it for so long was because I was so exhausted from him wearing me down whenever I tried to get him to grow up. I also felt like I would never survive on my own.

Three months ago his dad died, and something just snapped in him. He struggled mentally all his life and never took it seriously, and the pandemic worsened it.

But when his dad died.. phwoar. I've never experienced anything so intense in my life. He cheated on me with a friend 8 days after, then 2 weeks after that got arrested for something bloody awful which will have lasting negative impact. There is, a really horrible twist to it that I just simply can't write publicly.

He tried to kill himself a few times, almost succeeding once. Although we had separated and he was bailed to his mums, I was still trying my hardest to get him through it. I honestly haven't had a moment to breathe while trying to support him, support our children (don't forget their grandad died and their parents split within the space of three weeks so they're really going through it too)

Anyway, he's had this big epiphany about how much his family means to him and how he'd do anything he can to get us back. He's packed up his dream, gave away a bunch of stuff related to it, is trying to get full time work, has started driving lessons, engages with the mental health team and is undertaking intense therapy.

However, the manipulative side of him still hasn't gone away. Whether it's conscious or not.

He has been begging for a second chance but to me, its not a second chance. Its a millionth one and I don't know if I can forgive everything he's put me through the last three months, let alone let go of how he treated me during our relationship

The day before last, after yet another argument and conversation looping round and round he said, very calmly, that he just has nothing to live for anymore. Yesterday was our daughters birthday, and he was threatening to kill himself the night before.

I said he could come over so I knew he was safe, but all day yesterday he continued saying the same thing.

I'm utterly terrified of my kids experiencing that. They absolutely adore their dad, and they've found his breakdown really really hard. They obviously don't know the details and have accepted the breakdown as a reason as to why he doesn't live at home anymore.

I could never forgive myself if he died. I KNOW, rationally, that it wouldn't be my fault but I know that turning my back on him will land the blame on my feet.

I feel utterly held hostage and at the mercy of his mental health.

In desperation, I told him fine, let's try counselling. We'll do it and work through it and see if there's anything worth salvaging but I just know, deep inside, that it's pointless. Because I haven't loved him properly in years. There's a reason why we never married in the time we were together.

I guess I'm just kinda hoping that a few months of hope, and him interpreting me as trying, means that he will eventually get well enough to cope like a 'normal' person.

Either way I'm in such a lose lose situation.

AIBU for this? I know alot of people will tell me I'm an idiot for even entertaining it but I just simply can't cut him off. It's not because I love him romantically but he's still my best friend. And I'm also aware he's being very manipulative still, I just don't know what to do. I have to do the best I can for my kids :(

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Shoxfordian · 23/06/2021 16:15

You need to cut him off for your own mental well-being

Aquamarine1029 · 23/06/2021 16:17

You never go to counselling with an abusive partner, first of all. Regardless of his current issues, I would not be playing this game with him because it simply won't help anything. Tell him the relationship is over and stand firm. Tell him if his family means so much to him now he can focus that energy on his children. He is just trying to manipulate you for an easy life.

Fitforforty · 23/06/2021 16:25

Your not a mental health professional and even if you were you can’t be his. Don’t string him along. He needs professional help. I agree he is manipulating you. If he threatens sucide again call 999 and inform them of your concerns.

Crazycakelady17 · 23/06/2021 16:31

Don’t do it and I’m coming from the other side I was suicidal after the trial of my stepfather and was drinking way too much
My DH had to ask me to leave for the sake of our children and I was devastated but I used that and the help of mental health services and although o still have hard times I managed to come home
I’m not saying that’s going to be for
You but you need to put the DC first as did my DH

FunMcCool · 23/06/2021 16:37

Yabu as you need to cut him off. For your sake and your kids.

Peace43 · 23/06/2021 16:40

You are unreasonable to let him manipulate you into dragging this out further. There will be significant additional damage to you and the kids by extending this. You are not his keeper.

Sicario · 23/06/2021 16:41

Please get in touch with the Freedom Programme. www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Suicide threats are a well-known aspect of coercive control and abuse. It's emotional blackmail. His mental health problems are not your responsibility. Your children are your responsibility. You need to protect them from his behaviour.

Please do not go to counselling with him.

Getting help is HIS responsibility.

You need to block him from being able to send you distressing messages or calling you threatening suicide. You might need a non-molestation order. The police can help you with this.

Please get out of this relationship as quickly as you can and seek help for yourself.

Blueskytoday06 · 23/06/2021 16:41

Please please please don't take him back.
His choices have consequences ....one being he's lost you. That's on him. He can have a relationship with his children but not you. He needs to accept this.

thepeopleversuswork · 23/06/2021 16:44

Don't go to counselling with him. It's not advisable in abuse situations.
Go to counselling on your own, try to unpick why you are even thinking about remaining with someone this manipulative.
Don't get back together with him. He's putting on a good show for now because he thinks its what he needs to do to get you back. Once he's got his feet back under the table it will all go back to the way it was before.
Stop putting his needs before yours and your kids. Stop making excuses for him. He's needlessly put you and your family through hell and now claims he can just undo it at will. It's not good enough. You and your kids need stability and someone who puts their interests first.
And work on your self-esteem. You deserve better.
Trust me I've been in this (more or less) exact situation. It's manipulation and you owe him nothing.

Flippittyflopperty · 23/06/2021 16:51

Wow. That’s the ultimate in manipulation. Maybe suggest he gets counselling on his own and step away. That’s an awful thing to do to his kids and their mother.

TenShortStories · 23/06/2021 16:52

What a dreadful situation for you.

I can totally see why you are considering this. His behaviour is entirely his responsibility, but you're also thinking of your kids. If there's anything you can do to prevent him killing himself then you'd do it for their sake.

The thing is the counselling would all be a rouse, a bit of a game - him with his (possibly unconscious) manipulation of you, you with absolutely no intention of getting back with him. I don't think counselling in that scenario would be able to improve anyone's mental health because it's essentially based on lies. It won't be able to achieve what you're looking for so is at best a pointless exercise.

I think you need to accept that he is his own person and you sadly don't have any control over what he decides to do, for good or for bad.

Maybe encourage him to attend his own counselling as marriage counselling isn't going or work when one person is suicidal. Then hope and pray for a good outcome for your kids (and get them some counselling too).

DeflatedGinDrinker · 23/06/2021 16:55

Yanbu but would be better to cut him off

ScaredOfDinosaurs · 23/06/2021 16:55

Stringing him along for a while is, at best, kicking the can down the road.

You really need to rip the plaster off here, his presence in the home will benefit nobody except possibly him. Protect yourself and your kids from this toxic bullshit.

Timeforabiscuit · 23/06/2021 17:03

It has hit rises, and you poor soul, you've been riding crisis mode for months.

Eventually, you will break yourself against this, and you do not deserve setting yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.

The relationship is dead, his actions and thoughts are his alone - and you really, really need to focus on yourself and the kids - because like fuck has he prioritised you!

So,if you are really concerned feed his ego, say he needs to prioritise himself, say he needs space to work through things, say its best for him to keep clear of the energy sap of family life - distance, grey rock, neutral. And get your ducks in a row.

Babygotblueyes · 23/06/2021 17:04

You have the power to stop this. You cannot be best friends with someone who uses you in this way because they are not capable of being a friend. You need to stop telling yourself you are helpless here. You know what to do, and no, it wont feel good, but neither does what you are doing. Protect yourself and your kids and get some counselling to decide why you have put up with him for so long.

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 23/06/2021 17:07

How do you think this is going to play out? He gets better and then copes with the break up? That's not going to happen. You need to woman up and end it. He's not your responsibility.

Notimeforaname · 23/06/2021 17:15

Yes I just came on to say you need to cut him off. For yours and your childrens mental health. This is too messy. Stop it now. He needs outside help. This will break you and the kids. Dont do it. He is manipulating you all

MaybeCrazy2 · 23/06/2021 17:15

Your stuck between a rock and a hard place. Any which way is wrong really, so might as well get something from it in the end, so I would choose to end the relationship and he will just have to deal with it, as you might as well have a chance at a normal one instead of both of you just kicking the can down the road.

Braneycat · 23/06/2021 17:28

I know you're all right, I just needed the pep talk. I'm so emotionally, mentally and physically exhausted 😔

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mrstea301 · 23/06/2021 17:28

What a horrible situation!! I really feel for you, but I think you've given him more than enough of your time. If you agree to counselling etc, you're just kicking the can down the road. This is going to be horrible whenever you do it. I think it's best just to face reality now and get it over with. You need to put yourself first, he's had 12 years to come good, there's no real point in letting it go on any further.

If anything, it may make it even harder in the future with the emotional abuse because he'll twist it round and say you should have finished now if that was your intention!

Jellybabiesforbreakfast · 23/06/2021 17:37

The suicide threats are part of the abuse. They're a highly effective tool he's using to manipulate you. If he threatens to kill himself, call the police every time. Hopefully he'll either stop threatening or he'll be sectioned for his own safety.

Nobranothanks · 23/06/2021 17:44

Hey @Braneycat I have been here. How your ex is behaving and what he is saying is so similar to how my ex behaved that until you mentioned daughters I thought it may be the same person.

As everyone else has said, do not "kick the can down the road." Stop this now and do it go to counselling unless recovering the relationship is what you genuinely want. I spent a good few months trying to help my ex and agreeing to things that I didn't want and wasn't comfortable with because of his mental health. It spiralled.

I ended up with a stalker, police involvement, pretend suicide attempts on my property and breaking into my house overnight. Once I reached total breaking point and refused any further involvement or contact it all calmed down rather quickly.

He was a nasty, manipulative, abusive asshole who still chills me to the bone after all this time.

Early in the relationship I also witnessed him doing this to his ex too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Wiredforsound · 23/06/2021 17:48

You have let him manipulate you again. When do you want it to stop? When do you get to do what you want to do? When do you get to do good for your mental health? Your relationship is over. Focus on yourself and your children, not him.

CarolinaWeeper · 23/06/2021 17:48

There will be significant additional damage to you and the kids by extending this

This. 100%

SnoozyBoozy · 23/06/2021 17:56

I have a family member whose mum left his dad and his dad went to pieces, started drinking even more than he did (like an alcoholic) and threatened suicide many times, including on the kids' bdays.

That was over 20 years ago and he's still here, alive and kicking. I wouldn't take the threats too seriously, and even if he did go through with it, the choice would be his and his alone. He cannot blackmail you with that threat and you absolutely shouldn't take him back because of that, because it will never end. It'll be his trump card forever.