Track and trace app

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Do you still have it? My friend looked at me in disgust when I said I removed the app.

Ignorant question but does track and disgrace actually work to track and trace? It’s not as if there are no legal conflicts preventing functionality due to civil liberties and personal privacy laws. Numerous overseas real and much much inexpensive fit for purpose Covid safety systems do work. For instance Singapore TraceTogether actually does what it is designed to do unlike our Track and Disgrace dependency on trusting the public to cooperate and follow the instructions and respond to follow up calls etc.

I have it for restaurants. Although we're in the northwest and last night went to a restaurant with friends in the next town over. Its the first time I've been there since March 2020 and it's the first place that's not asked for our ID. The town's cases are always at the top of the tables. I guess that was a clue why.

Never had it and never been asked to use it.

Not the experience of a very significant number of people I know or work with over the last year.
So you know lots of people who have never had contact tracing switched on, and have used the app to check into a venue, who have then received a message from the app telling them to self isolate? If so they need to report that there is a fundamental issue with the app, because that isn't how it is supposed to work.

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcon

It's Test and Trace!! Track and Trace is a royal mail parcel tracking service!

Noticed the other day even Boris got it wrong and called it track and trace!

If you just used the app to check in, but had contact tracing switched off, it will alert you that you might have been in contact with a positive case, but it won't tell you to self isolate.

Info on the different between contact tracing and venue check in are here:
faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01312/en-us?parentid=CAT-01035&rootid=

Surely if I can't afford to self isolate (and, for that reason, wouldn't get tested) then ultimately downloading the app is completely pointless as it'll make no difference in the real world?

Never had it myself and don’t actually know anyone who did/has it.

Wasn’t fit for purpose.

track and disgrace, trick or treat, track and trace... All used on this thread! FFS. It's TEST AND TRACE. The key bit of the whole process is the testing (positive).

Boris should be given a serious talking to if he did indeed say Track and Trace. Really, really bad and I'm sick of the wrong name being used. It is important.

@RichardMarxisinnocent

Not the experience of a very significant number of people I know or work with over the last year. So you know lots of people who have never had contact tracing switched on, and have used the app to check into a venue, who have then received a message from the app telling them to self isolate? If so they need to report that there is a fundamental issue with the app, because that isn't how it is supposed to work.

Is that you Hopeless Hancock? I know plenty people who have checked in to almost empty places, not been in contact of less than 2 meters and have been pinged to self isolate. I also know if people who didn't leave their houses for weeks be pinged to sled isolate. And many other combinations of various app fuck ups. Not my responsibility to inform anyone that the app doesn't work given I don't have the app, most level headed people know it's a shambles with glitches, faults and problems and the government doesn't care if it works well or not as king as they can bang on that it's there. Maybe you are Dido Do FA Harding not Hopeless Hancock. Either way there's good reason why a LOT of NHS staff don't have it and have in fact been instructed not to have it as well as police and other public sector staff. I'm quite happy without it and sceptical enough to know it is not particularly helpful in dealing with the pandemic

Something for dodge Bojo, hopeless Hancock and cunning Cummings to ponder but obviously our world beating (unfit for purpose) track and disgrace system is very dependent on buy in and cooperative active participation. In addition because we do not have strict legal obligations with any enforcement nor an intrusive big bother culture - the system is potentially compromised by reliance on good faith trust in society to do the right thing despite the real concerns that self isolation requirements may detrimentally impact economic and mental wellbeing. Can you spot any obvious design flaws? Without accurate PCR grade frequent and repeated monitored test test test we can never separate and treat the ill away from the healthy so that society and businesses can be sustainably open.

I had it for about a week. It said I'd been in contact with a positive case when I hadn't left the house for days - turned out my ndn was positive and all the flats in our block had also been notified, even though none of us had had any contact with him. Utterly useless!

DH doesn't own a phone so has never had it - we just leave our details at pubs etc if we're asked, which we rarely are.

To be fair, the NHS also thinks it's Track and Trace!

Never had it and not missed it.

I work in a supermarket and we were asked to turn it off before each shift (in response to PP. I do have the app turned on, have never been told to isolate in all this time. I use it to check into venues when they ask

Nah I had it and then got told to isolate because my bag was next to a wall and in the room next to me someone had tested positive. No contact at all otherwise. I mean a wall was between us.

I work on Test and Trace for my local authority. I spend half the week in a rapid test centre and I switched the app off as obviously we record positive results on site and I didn’t want my app to then tell me to isolate! We are not required to isolate when recording positive results as long as we follow the clinical protocols (screens / visors etc.) But obviously the app doesn’t know that.

Is that you Hopeless Hancock? I know plenty people who have checked in to almost empty places, not been in contact of less than 2 meters and have been pinged to self isolate. I also know if people who didn't leave their houses for weeks be pinged to sled isolate. And many other combinations of various app fuck ups. Not my responsibility to inform anyone that the app doesn't work given I don't have the app, most level headed people know it's a shambles with glitches, faults and problems and the government doesn't care if it works well or not as king as they can bang on that it's there. Maybe you are Dido Do FA Harding not Hopeless Hancock. Either way there's good reason why a LOT of NHS staff don't have it and have in fact been instructed not to have it as well as police and other public sector staff.
I'm quite happy without it and sceptical enough to know it is not particularly helpful in dealing with the pandemic

Not Dido Harding nor Matt Hancock. I am NHS staff though, and do have the app with contact tracing switched off. I've checked into various venues since last summer, some busy, some not. I haven't been pinged to self isolate at all, and neither has anyone I know who uses the app to check in.

You're absolutely certain that all the people you know who have been pinged have contact tracing switched off? And they have checked in the app when the date of exposure was, and found it to be a date they used the venue check in?

Alternatively If they had contact tracing switched on, as the self isolation notification doesn't tell you where you were exposed, are they sure it was from the half empty place and not somewhere else they had been?

And if you're suggesting Dido Harding has something to do with the app, she doesn't. She's in charge of NHS Test and Trace, but that has nothing to do with the app. It's an NHS designed app.

I've never had it and I've never been asked to sign in anywhere, either.

@cupsofcoffee

I've never had it and I've never been asked to sign in anywhere, either.

Sums it up nicely. Seemingly so optional that most opt out. Bit like masks and self diagnosed convenient fraudulent (non)exemptions from infection and asymptomatic spreading when suited. Or indeed asymptomatic testing as who wants to test test test when we don’t need to separate and treat the ill away from the healthy so that all business sectors and international mixing can be sustainable and not forever under restrictions.

I don't have it now after being told to isolate whilst at Chessington, World of Adventures, when I was not within 2 metres of anyone all day and only outside!!

Must admit I'm quite surprised at some of the responses here (8 days into a T&T-notified isolation haha) - I dunno how you're all getting into anywhere without it, can't go in a single bar or restaurant in my town without. When my DH didn't have it on his new phone they made him download the app before he was allowed in somewhere for tea, even though I'd checked myself in. Even a cafe I was just going to pick a sandwich I'd ordered up from made me do it when I was spending no more than a minute in there.

Maybe some areas are being more careful than others?! But interesting that there's so much variation.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Ignorant question but does track and disgrace actually work to track and trace? It’s not as if there are no legal conflicts preventing functionality due to civil liberties and personal privacy laws. Numerous overseas real and much much inexpensive fit for purpose Covid safety systems do work. For instance Singapore TraceTogether actually does what it is designed to do unlike our Track and Disgrace dependency on trusting the public to cooperate and follow the instructions and respond to follow up calls etc.

Track and disgrace

Oh aren't you hilarious

I've never had it, dont feel the need to have something constantly reporting my gps etc to third parties organisations. (Which you inadvertently agree to upon sign up).
In Scotland the shops, restaurants etc have barcodes I the windows which you can scan and then leave your name and contact no or you can just leave your name and number on a clipboard list.

No thanks, don’t fancy being traced, it’s not for me.

I’ve never had it as my phone is too old. On the odd occasion I’ve needed to I just give my details on paper.