AIBU - covid rules at baby group?

[Heckythump1]

I took my little one to a baby group yesterday, one we've been too before, but this was a different session to last term as she's a bit older this time.

The group has some very simple covid rules -

• masks to be work in the buggy area, and until you're sat on your individual mat

• stay on individual mat unless retrieving mobile baby (there were no mobile babies in the group)

• when the group all comes together at the end masks to be worn

• only one adult per baby

Every single rule was broken yesterday.

One woman had a friend with her. My husband had a week off during the last term and would have loved to have come but the rules said he couldn't so he didn't.

There were only three of us wearing masks during the group bit even though the leader said to put masks on.

There were a few Mums who obviously knew each other wandering around take photos of their babies together on their various mats.

Nobody except me wore a mask in the pushchair area.

I'm not an anxious person and this isn't my first baby.
I also don't think it's the group leaders fault as she did ask people to follow the rules they just ignored her.
It just made me feel really uncomfortable and I don't know what to do.
I've paid a lot of money for the group so I can't just not go again and all the other sessions across the week are booked up, so I can't change session either!

@MiddleParking

No I know how the track and trace system operates. I just don’t think it’s likely enough that someone’s going to get Covid, be picked up by (useless) track and trace, then give everyone at the baby group as a close contact that then gets checked up on by said useless track and trace, to be worth making a fuss. Clearly the group leader isn’t very invested in making people follow the guidance religiously, and I don’t blame her - I wouldn’t expect that to change at the request of one attendee.

I don't know, my experience is it happened at the one baby group I have attended If the group isn't going to follow the guidance then I guess that is up to them, but they need to make that clear to the attendees so they can make an informed decision - rather than say one thing and do another.

Totally. If they don't abide by the Ts&Cs they can leave, not get a refund and the leader still gets paid. Selfish Law breakers don't get to decide. Fed up of going to classes as well where no one gives a shit, invites their mum to come with and sits and chats maskless to their friend whilst not giving a shit about sending this country into another 4 weeks of lockdown

@MyrrAgain

Totally. If they don't abide by the Ts&Cs they can leave, not get a refund and the leader still gets paid. Selfish Law breakers don't get to decide. Fed up of going to classes as well where no one gives a shit, invites their mum to come with and sits and chats maskless to their friend whilst not giving a shit about sending this country into another 4 weeks of lockdown

If you think that’s the cause of the 4 week delay you have very drastically misunderstood the situation.

If they set the rules, they should make sure they are abided by
It parents don't agree with them they too have the choice not to attend
If parents need additional support from other parents (which is understandably) they should arrange to meet elsewhere

@MiddleParking

Yes infections are rising. Transmission is occurring clearly and masks are preventative. So yes. Selfish CFS not being arsed to wear a mask and sitting next to people not social distancing increases transmission and therefore infection rates. Everywhere I go there CFs doing this. 20-30% of the population deciding to do this at once leads to increases.

[quote MyrrAgain]@MiddleParking

Yes infections are rising. Transmission is occurring clearly and masks are preventative. So yes. Selfish CFS not being arsed to wear a mask and sitting next to people not social distancing increases transmission and therefore infection rates. Everywhere I go there CFs doing this. 20-30% of the population deciding to do this at once leads to increases.[/quote]
Yeah as I said you’ve completely misunderstood the cause of the delay and your anger is misdirected. As the people who are actually responsible hope for.

Even without the COVID element, this would irritate me: if you sign up for a class with certain conditions, you should stick to them. The woman taking a friend would be particularly galling and I'd be asking the leader why it was allowed.

@bageljam

Even without the COVID element, this would irritate me: if you sign up for a class with certain conditions, you should stick to them. The woman taking a friend would be particularly galling and I'd be asking the leader why it was allowed.

The thing is though, in this case the class conditions are really just a performance. As with the vast majority of ridiculous covid measures we’ve had imposed on us over the last 15 months. Increasing numbers of people are fed up and view them as pointless and unreasonable. This is likely to also include the class organised.

Yes I agree. If there are certain rules of any class it's the rule breakers that should have to comply or go home not the people there in good faith.

@Bizawit, it's irrelevant whether you, me or my Great Aunt Fanny think they are just a 'performance'
As @bageljam has said, those are the conditions that they agreed to so that they could attend
Don't like it, don't go

You sound quite covid anxious tbh.

Even at a metre distance if you are all in a room together for 30 + minutes adding masks for 5 mins in one part is honestly going to make a negligible difference to a already tiny risk.

Are you vaccinated? Are you living in an area with outbreaks?

Everywhere I go there CFs doing this. 20-30% of the population deciding to do this at once leads to increases.

Not really. What is more likely leading to the increases is more likely the many closer forms of contact that are completely permitted under the rules. Groups from 6 households sitting round a pub table sharing a meal together. Children in school bubbles. Family visiting and hugging etc.

[quote ClutchesPearlsAndFaints]@Bizawit, it's irrelevant whether you, me or my Great Aunt Fanny think they are just a 'performance'
As @bageljam has said, those are the conditions that they agreed to so that they could attend
Don't like it, don't go[/quote]
Well yes it’s irrelevant what you and I and great aunt fanny think. But the OP’s problem is that most people at the baby group are breaking the rules and the organiser isn’t enforcing it. So I guess it’s not irrelevant what they think or OP wouldn’t be having this issue 🤷🏼‍♀️. I was just offering an explanation of why people are ignoring these rules/ they are enforced, compared to other rules groups may have which usually are enforced.

*they are not enforced

I'd be very anxious as I have a CEV adult son, and I want him to be able to leave his house. I'd just have left and then rung and asked for my money back.

People who are anxious because they or relatives are CEV, haven't you been double vaccinated by now? The vaccine is really effective.

Unfortunately you are going to get people that either ignore the rules or push them to suit themselves. It happens on the school run every day - one parent only on drop off and pick up. Every single day without fail there are couples that both come to pick up their child. It doesn’t get tackled by the school, so they get away with it. Others see that and they decide to do the same.
I think the instructor could have done a bit more to be honest. I think she should have said to the woman with the friend that the friend needs to wait outside as it’s only one adult per baby. It’s difficult with the mingling and the mask wearing, again on the school run you get people talking together and not wearing masks - you can’t force people, you can only try and minimise your own risk.

If you are not covid anxious and you are enjoying the group, then carry on going. But I would message the instructor privately and say that you were unhappy that people were allowed to bring another person with them. Maybe next time they will think about tackling it then.

You need to calm down... it’s sad COVID has made people feel like this there’s no need. If your not comfortable then stay at home again and don’t participate in life.

@User574664

You need to calm down... it’s sad COVID has made people feel like this there’s no need. If your not comfortable then stay at home again and don’t participate in life.

Utter bullshit. If you can't comply with the rules and law and selfishly want to do whatever you want stay home and don't fuck up other people's lives and wellbeing.

If people aren't happy with the rules surely that's for them to decide and go elsewhere, rather than the OP who is following them.

However Y may be UR about the friend. I know someone who runs a toddler group and they did allow one person to bring a friend (written into their risk assessment with numbers of people) for a very serious reason which is confidential. They wouldn't be telling you if you asked, and they have turned away other extra people who have turned up on chance, so it isn't a free for all on turning up.

@User574664

You need to calm down... it’s sad COVID has made people feel like this there’s no need. If your not comfortable then stay at home again and don’t participate in life.

But they do want to participate in life that's the point Why should she be comfortable with people not following the guidelines they have agreed to? Utter nonsense

I think op is moaning as they are the rules of group

One adult
Masks

Etc

Group leader needs to man up and should have said to the couple one adult

And to the no. Mask wearers to wear a mask

Once rules are relaxed by boris , July 19 maybe then no problem

People are managing for themselves by checking the published rules before signing up. If the advertised rules aren’t being followed, then no one can make an informed decision.

I would contact the program. They either need to enforce the rules or provide a full refund.