Football: I suppose on Friday we have the embarassing prospect

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of two British teams playing each other in a match and the UK national anthem being used for one of them, but the Scots have their own.

Why does the England team appropriate the British national anthem?

Why on earth is this still happening?

England uses Jerusalem for the Commonwealth Games, why can't it use it for other occasions too?

Who gives a flying fuck?

National anthems are rotten, anyway.

I think everyone who isn’t English notices. I mean, since @GnomeyGnome thinks it’s the English anthem... I doubt they’re the only one. It’s an embarrassment, rather than being embarrassing, that so many English people don’t know the difference between England and the U.K. and behave as though they are the same thing.

Who cares? The real issue is that we have to sit watching thousands of people gathering for non-essential sport while we can't run school fundraisers and the hospitality industry dies on its knees.

Land of Hope and Glory is probably the best of the serious contenders, though some versions have awkward imperialist lyrics but they could be C&P out (as we only want a short version anyhow - just the chorus would do!)

@cardibach

I think everyone who isn’t English notices. I mean, since *@GnomeyGnome* thinks it’s the English anthem... I doubt they’re the only one. It’s an embarrassment, rather than being embarrassing, that so many English people don’t know the difference between England and the U.K. and behave as though they are the same thing.

England doesn’t have a national anthem. It’s not a nation state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_anthem_of_England

@MasterBeth no, it doesn’t. But the other constituent parts of the Union do, even if unofficial. England should choose one. But they feel entitled to the U.K. one because they (undefined, but a majority) think the U.K. and England are the same thing.

I really don't care, as long as England wins!

@TastyMeatPuppet

I like Flower of Scotland. Everyone seems to know the words.

GSTQ is two lines then dead.

It’s not dead if you know the words, which a lot of people do

@cardibach

I think everyone who isn’t English notices. I mean, since *@GnomeyGnome* thinks it’s the English anthem... I doubt they’re the only one. It’s an embarrassment, rather than being embarrassing, that so many English people don’t know the difference between England and the U.K. and behave as though they are the same thing.

It's the national anthem of the UK, no? So by default it is the national anthem of England unless/until they choose a separate one. Scotland, Wales and N.I all have the choice to use it if they so wish.

It’s more English than Scottish. I mean if it was a united song for all nations in the UK there wouldn’t have been lyrics in the song about crushing rebellious Scots or whatever the exact lyrics were. Though I can’t get worked up about national anthems. Most are dull.

GTSQ is such a god-awful po-faced dirge, can’t be replaced quickly enough for me, though actually it’s quite appropriate for this miserable country (in its current state) and its football team (in recent years, though this incarnation is rather likeable, save for a bigoted (significant) minority of its fans).

[quote cardibach]@MasterBeth no, it doesn’t. But the other constituent parts of the Union do, even if unofficial. England should choose one. But they feel entitled to the U.K. one because they (undefined, but a majority) think the U.K. and England are the same thing.[/quote]
This is such anti-English bollocks.

I am English. And British. I know the difference. I also know what my national anthem is. I don’t need to invent a new one just because other component parts of the UK want to play football games under their own flag and sing their own songs.

A national anthem should make you feel proud and be emotive.
GSTQ does neither and I'm quite the royalist.

Scotland is going to sing GSTQ though. Its just not going to happen is it. Nobody would know the words for a start...

The John Barnes rap from World in Motion should be used instead. I'm more interested in whether Jordan Henderson is going to start because I'd love to see him and Robbo playing against each other.

I feel sure that nobody else really gives a shiny shite about the anthems though - just that their team wins.

@Plansandpresents

I thought England use Land of Hope and Glory?

I also thought this. Not that they ever do. Fair point OP. Land of Hope and Glory would be better, if not for accuracy at least for bellowability.

I just had to YouTube Jerusalem... I feel like that's possibly the only song in existence that is worse than GSTQ?

England should have a national anthem that makes them feel something, I think.

I feel something when flower of scotland comes on. Also feel something when Runrig's Loch Lomond comes on (usually drunk, at a wedding... though that's a distant memory now). I'm not even American, but listen to Whitney Houston belt out star spangled banner at the superbowl and I DARE YOU NOT TO FEEL SOMETHING.

England deserves to feel something. You're all worth it! ❤️🦁

England has not appropriated anything. The National anthem of all Countries that are part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is God Save the Queen.
Those that do not play it are rejecting it as part of a seperist agenda to establish a separate national identity.
That's a decision based in complex actors, but don't continually say this is an English supremecy thing within UK.

If they're playing Scotland then they should sing the verse about quashing rebellious Scots instead.

Or maybe the Flanders and Swan one... A song of patriotic prejudice

@cardibach

I think everyone who isn’t English notices. I mean, since *@GnomeyGnome* thinks it’s the English anthem... I doubt they’re the only one. It’s an embarrassment, rather than being embarrassing, that so many English people don’t know the difference between England and the U.K. and behave as though they are the same thing.

You need to know what you are talking about before you say singing of a National Anthem is embarrassing. Are you prepared to apologized?

I don’t want Jerusalem. It’s religious and has no place in a secular society. I dislike GSTQ too for the same reason and it is a dirge of a song.

GSTQ is dreadful. Time for a change. Bring on Three Lions with the John Barnes rap.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKzsnU3JEo
I am English, but I would love Scotland to do well/win.

Now let's analysis every national anthem in Europe. There's a clue in the title.
Shall we start with the war monering Irish National Anthem sung 50 times this weekend at GAA matches
Or look at every Euro National Anthem sang since Friday
Liberal Nordic Countries that are so loved.
Denmark? Played yesterday
But English people singing a National Anthem that is inclusive of all Nation States of the Eunion they belong to, fuck that, racist idiots appropriating a National Anthem.

@Invisimamma

Scotland is going to sing GSTQ though. Its just not going to happen is it. Nobody would know the words for a start...

There is a very significant population of Scotland that is pro the Union and have no issue with their National Anthem being as it is. Same in Northern Ireland and Wales.