To be irritated by the Londoner exodus to my town?

[thesecondnamegame]

I've been priced out of my Greater Manchester town by the London diaspora. Anybody who knows the area will know which town I mean. My tatty council town centre terrace is worth 300k. A load of Londoners came up after the BBC moved to Manchester. Half the kids in my kid's school's parents are from London and they love to make sure you know that. House prices have become ridiculous and are in a different world to the rest of Greater Manchester. It's ridiculous as it used to be a very unremarkable market town (albiet with not much to it) and now it's gone all 'naice' and I'm having to move 10 miles away because it's reaching the surrounding towns and I simply cannot afford to live here and I want to buy a property. It annoys me, I keep imagining somebody who had a London salary and bought a house in London, sold it, and came up here and bought a house 3 times bigger for the same price as their smaller London home. It just seems like they cheated. There are no school places either, because a lot of the Londoner's chose this particular town for the schools. The catchments are bloody tiny, I know somebody who lives in a village about 4 miles away. The schools in this town are the closest schools. No school would take her child and she ended up having to home educate for months.

All my relatives who bought properties or private rented have had to leave, even those who went to uni and got great jobs.

Overseas property investors have done this to Londoners hence the reason everyone is on the move. Who can afford £500k for a one bedroom flat?

The people in your new town are probably moaning about you.

Thanks to everybody coming to inform me how lovely their London neighbours are [sceptical

If you actually knew Londoners they are incredibly friendly.

My issue is with a very specific type of privileged person who sees the likes of my town as free fodder

Well that's not quite what you originally said.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@Kissthepastrychef

I can't believe people from London claim that such people can't exist? They really, really do.[/quote]
Like everyone in the north wears flat caps and walks whippets, no? I mean, if you're going to tar everyone from London with the same brush, why not let us southerners denigrate every single northerner too! Except we won't, because we're not bigots.

Seriously, these 'we all hate London and Londoners' posts are getting really tedious.

I sympathise but in the long run moving industries out of London should be a good thing: more jobs, more money circulating, less brain drain.

I realise that is fuck all use to you right now.

My tatty council town centre terrace is worth 300k.

My heart bleeds for you, OP.

A load of Londoners came up after the BBC moved to Manchester.

Did you want them to be made redundant?

Be grateful jobs are coming up north and quit whining.

@thesecondnamegame I was being flippant as you lumped all Londoners together but only seemed aware of white, privileged ones. But thank you for explaining immigration to me. As a 2nd gen immigrant it's important to learn these things.

@LoudestCat14 I haven't tarred anybody! Bloody hell. Apparently my use of Londoner's in the title clearly means I meant every single Londoner ever to have graced the Earth.

The people I'm on about are Londoner's, or at least benefited from the London property market at the right time. It's the truth, I'm talking about people I've personally met. But not all Londoner's are the people I'm talking about. HTH

The people I'm on about are Londoner's, or at least benefited from the London property market at the right time.

So they could originally be from Manchester then? You are pissed at privileged people not Londoners. You need to be very privileged to get on the ladder in London these days.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@RedToothBrush It's getting exponentially worse, go figure.[/quote]
Not really. The school places are there. Its just that more people want to get their kid into a specific school. And actually some of the other schools in the area which didn't get as good ratings / had worse reputations have improved significantly which has helped because parents in some areas have been less desparate to avoid those schools. In part, ironically due to gentrification bringing in more families with kids from an economic and social background which pushes up standards in the 'not so good schools'. Plus the birth rates in these areas - as older middle class professionals have driven up house prices - have dropped too.

I really don't think its significantly worse than it was. The kids all get school places. You just get more vocal pushy middle class parents making noise about it when their darling doesn't get their first choice or doesn't do as well in their 11 plus as they had hoped (but the teachers were well aware they were never going to pass as they just don't have the ability and this comes as something of a shock to those with unrealistic expections).

Thesecondnamegame You've been denigrating Londoners in practically every post you've written! And prompted a pile on by other anti-London posters. At least own the crap you're coming out with.

It isn't Londoners really.

It's more that in the past, areas and their salaries have more or less matched. Or on a local level you'd have more expensive and less expensive parts.

Now people are moving from areas where their 'cheap' is equivalent to, or more than, somewhere else's 'expensive' and it pushes all the prices up, without the salaries in that second area increasing.

@Cadent

My house is horrendous with damp everywhere and the 300k is literally none existent because I don't own the house. So not sure why you felt the need for the sarcastic 'my heart bleeds'. I know full well many in London have the same issues, and I have absolutely nothing against those people.

Jobs are coming up north? Yeah and the people are coming up with the jobs to take them and they get a nice cushy big house to suit and can afford to all go to certain very specific towns. Those unemployed in the likes of Lancashire etc won't benefit from this at all. But we all need to be grateful here in the north that we are being saved, sorry.

OP are you aware of the ridiculous house prices in London. Many people brought up in London cannot afford to live there....where should they go? France?! 😆

Besides, it’s a free country, people can move wherever the hell they want!

And it's exacerbated if people can work remotely, and so stay in the same job earning a higher salary in the new place.

Over time it will (hopefully) even out.

OP, Imagine if I started a thread about the terrible woes of “incomers” from the Middle East to Knightsbridge and how they have driven up property prices and look - no shit Sherlock - the character of the high streets has changed . These “incomers” and their fancy Shish bars and extortionate patisseries! And how very dare they identify with each other on any level whatsoever about where they come from - all in another language too! Oh my god. I can’t cope. They’ve got more money than us too. Wah wah.

And don’t even get me started on the Italians and French in Kensington. Who do they think they are coming here and living in their multimillion £ homes? What’s this? A Gelateria, you say! Ooooh. AND they speak with accents NOT FROM THESE PARTS! That’s it. I’m off to lodge a complaint on MN.

What a fascinating thread - full of self-validation and explanations - best we go back to the 3-tier Class System I suppose - when everyone knew their place and at least had a Place for the 'likes of them' to go to.

Maybe not - but seems hardly anyone knows their Place now and very few know where they should Place themselves [pun intended].

@SoupDragon

Somebody born and raised in London who was able to go to uni and go into a job on a London salary is incredibly privileged.

London jobs aren't limited to those "born and raised in London".

They are if they can stay at home, in London, and work!

I didn't grow up in London but in the south east house prices are ridiculous because it is commutable distance of London so people that have been priced out of London move there.
I also live in a town in Greater Manchester I moved here for work, met my husband who grew up round here and bought a house. We can get far more house for our money here than we would in our home town.
I know quite a lot of people who came to uni in Manchester and didn't leave.
It's happening everywhere house prices have risen massively about wages.

@sambaa

Completely different and you know it, and actually quite offensive. England in itself has been an incredibly oppressive nation to other countries over the centuries, how did London manage to grow how it did in the first place? To suggest that internal discussions about different areas is the same as some BNP scumbag being a racist about the 'bloody foreigners' moving into their town is disgraceful.

Like others say, it's literally the same everywhere, including London. Working in London certainly doesn't always give you a salary that means you can actually afford to live in London, especially if you want to live in anything bigger than a shoebox. Hence why most people who work in London commute in from surrounding areas.
We moved from a London borough flat to a 4 bed roomed house in a seaside town because we wanted the better quality of life, and also couldn't afford to buy the type of family house we wanted in London. People are actually allowed to choose where to live, based on what they can afford to buy and what suits them. It's hardly surprising that BBC people moved to Manchester to keep their jobs, they were hardly going to commute to Manchester from London were they?

@Tealightsandd the people who have moved to the part of Manchester I’m from have made it less diverse. I went to school with a lot of Caribbean, Turkish and Sri Lankan kids. Now they are mostly white children from middle class families with parents who both went to university. The non-white children are normally from medical or dental families so very wealthy.

Funny how the people they've bought from didn't say, sorry, we'd prefer to sell to a local at a lower price.
And those relatives of yours who 'had to' leave - wouldn't be because they wanted to cash in, would it?

They are if they can stay at home, in London, and work!

Which many can't do. Due to not being able to afford housing...

katy1213 The OP has been asked a few times whether she's going to take a stand and not sell her house to someone moving up from London but so far no response. Funny that.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@sambaa

Completely different and you know it, and actually quite offensive. England in itself has been an incredibly oppressive nation to other countries over the centuries, how did London manage to grow how it did in the first place? To suggest that internal discussions about different areas is the same as some BNP scumbag being a racist about the 'bloody foreigners' moving into their town is disgraceful.[/quote]
Point. Head. Whistled.