To be irritated by the Londoner exodus to my town?

[thesecondnamegame]

I've been priced out of my Greater Manchester town by the London diaspora. Anybody who knows the area will know which town I mean. My tatty council town centre terrace is worth 300k. A load of Londoners came up after the BBC moved to Manchester. Half the kids in my kid's school's parents are from London and they love to make sure you know that. House prices have become ridiculous and are in a different world to the rest of Greater Manchester. It's ridiculous as it used to be a very unremarkable market town (albiet with not much to it) and now it's gone all 'naice' and I'm having to move 10 miles away because it's reaching the surrounding towns and I simply cannot afford to live here and I want to buy a property. It annoys me, I keep imagining somebody who had a London salary and bought a house in London, sold it, and came up here and bought a house 3 times bigger for the same price as their smaller London home. It just seems like they cheated. There are no school places either, because a lot of the Londoner's chose this particular town for the schools. The catchments are bloody tiny, I know somebody who lives in a village about 4 miles away. The schools in this town are the closest schools. No school would take her child and she ended up having to home educate for months.

All my relatives who bought properties or private rented have had to leave, even those who went to uni and got great jobs.

And 100% some of the 'local' hostility towards London incomers is racism. Not all and less so with fairly diverse Manchester, but definitely it plays a role.

@RickiTarr 👏 well said
I know of plenty of people born and raised in London who haven't been able to buy. We have a real issue with housing across the whole country. We have managed to buy a small flat in zone 4 London but are stuck here as can't afford to buy a bigger house and we are contemplating having just the one child because of it. London is my home and community and I have no intention of leaving, so essentially I'm stuck in a similar situation as the OP.

@Tealightsandd

And 100% some of the 'local' hostility towards London incomers is racism. Not all and less so with fairly diverse Manchester, but definitely it plays a role.

I'm talking about the market towns and villages more than Manchester.

[quote magicflange]@RickiTarr 👏 well said
I know of plenty of people born and raised in London who haven't been able to buy. We have a real issue with housing across the whole country. We have managed to buy a small flat in zone 4 London but are stuck here as can't afford to buy a bigger house and we are contemplating having just the one child because of it. London is my home and community and I have no intention of leaving, so essentially I'm stuck in a similar situation as the OP. [/quote]
Yes.
London is the capital of homelessness.

Two thirds of all the UK's homeless families in temporary accommodation are in London.

Capital of homelessness... thanks to people from Manchester and all over the UK moving to London and pricing out Londoners.

Also mumsnet loves to throw the word ‘entitlement’ around for everything. Surely it’s the heigh of entitlement to assume you can live somewhere forever because you were born there. My parents live in a beautiful sought after city in the Home Counties. No way I can afford to live there. So instead of feeling sorry for myself and blaming the system I moved to Manchester best thing I ever did!

@Nohomemadecandles @bookish83

I didn’t specifically say anything negative about Bolton other to say that it is really different and not a fair comparison with Altrincham!

Just like if I was talking about Rochdale- there are some villages around there I’m really interested in as future potential house moves but to try and draw comparisons between house prices there and in Trafford would be completely disingenuous.

Trafford has always been and remains mainly white, middle class, one of top boroughs in country for education with grammar schools etc

At least you got something in return with the BBC moving it has created jobs in the area and people using local services. Try living an hour to an hour and a half train ride to London. Londoners moving in to cheaper housing forcing the prices up then commuting into London. My town is an overpriced ghost town with no local jobs

[quote magicflange]@RickiTarr 👏 well said
I know of plenty of people born and raised in London who haven't been able to buy. We have a real issue with housing across the whole country. We have managed to buy a small flat in zone 4 London but are stuck here as can't afford to buy a bigger house and we are contemplating having just the one child because of it. London is my home and community and I have no intention of leaving, so essentially I'm stuck in a similar situation as the OP. [/quote]
Yes that was my situation a few years ago too. Miserable isn’t it? I don’t think everyone fully understands what it’s like to be a born and bred Londoner with all your support network and roots there.

We eventually made the jump (not to Manchester!) and it’s actually worth it for the space and the garden and the air quality and just living in a town that is in balance. I like living somewhere where that functions as a multi-class community. It was just a big wrench to make the decision initially.

The really funny thing was, after I left, my career completely took off. I think because of the lack of stress. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I hope it works out for you whatever you do.

That yourself Ricki

Often these types of threads will inform us how much better an area has become

Yes when it’s cleansed of mainly working class people. How some areas of London are now so predominantly white compared to even 10 years ago also doesn’t get mentioned much

Peckham is wonderful now so I keep hearing sad that so many local run businesses that have survived for years no longer can

@CarlaH

Well thats what happens when people moan that everything is based in London and job should be shared around the country.

No, people outside London wanted jobs in their area for locals, not for Londoners to move out to their area. It's pretty pointless moving the BBC to Manchester if most of it's London staff moved to follow it.

This isn't new. I live within 40 minutes of Bristol and my terraced townhouse has nearly doubled in 10 years. Which means the semis and detached houses have also doubled, well beyond salary multiples we could afford to borrow, even with equity. But, it's much nicer than it was, with better facilities, brand new Drs surgery, new cinema, new bypass roads. The trick is to get in before areas start to improve.

Mabes you should move to London op

It's hardly left wing to attack Londoners. Not when it's the capital of homelessness. A city where vulnerable disabled and low income people have no stability of housing at all. Stuck in crappy homeless hostels or HMOs or deprived estates suffering from gang crime. And those who've bought living in tiny cramped over priced flats with little or no outside space. Thanks to people from Manchester and everywhere else pricing them out. The same people who complain about London's'investment'.
Not sure what's 'left wing' about that.

Trafford has always been and remains mainly white, middle class
Not all of it at all.

People have been priced out of London for years. Many Londoners have had to move away from where they were born and raised.

Lots of London is very deprived and poor.

However it’s a bigger overall picture of the cost of housing and renting, by to let, unfordable housing, and lack of social housing that is the real issue.

Moving further out of the town where someone was born in raised and 10 miles down the road to more affordable housing is exactly that same complaint. You are pushing someone else out of their home town.

? Is it Royston Vasey?

@Macncheeseballs

Mabes you should move to London op

That's a good idea. No insular locals - and, don't you know, the streets are paved with gold.

@sadperson16

Trafford has always been and remains mainly white, middle class Not all of it at all.

No, not all of Trafford. Definitely Altrincham where OP is talking about though.

@Onandoff

? Is it Royston Vasey?

Yep, yanbu, it's a shocker of a price rise

I was born just outside of London, my family are here and I've never lived anywhere else - if we ever have any hope of buying our own home we will need to move miles away from everything we have ever known and our entire support systems. £300,000 is cheap for a house where we are. That MIGHT get us a 1 bed flat... If we are lucky. Unfortunately lack of housing means that there are alot of people being priced out of their own towns.

However it’s a bigger overall picture of the cost of housing and renting, by to let, unfordable housing, and lack of social housing that is the real issue.

This.

@Maggiesfarm

People from Greater Manchester don't pronounce the word 'nice' as 'naice', Merseysiders do that.

You say the town is better now than it was, why are you moaning? There's nothing to stop anyone moving to a different part of the country. Or you could stay put. If you can buy a tatty terraced house for £300k I'd say it was worth hanging around just for that.

I'm staying put, I like living in the London area. If I did want to move to the country I would hardly choose Greater Manchester though I have to say any house costing only £300k sounds like a bargain.

I think you have problems other than those you have outlined; you seem resentful.

They do if they themselves are naice.

@OhWhyNot

That yourself Ricki

Often these types of threads will inform us how much better an area has become

Yes when it’s cleansed of mainly working class people. How some areas of London are now so predominantly white compared to even 10 years ago also doesn’t get mentioned much

Peckham is wonderful now so I keep hearing sad that so many local run businesses that have survived for years no longer can

Yes I know what you mean. One side of my family lived in Hackney for about 200 years, (and some immigrants joined that side too). I’m not a huge fan of gentrified Hackney (or Walthamstow or Balham or wherever- Brixton now, I think). I find it a bit creepy when people rave about those areas with their baby mandarin classes, cycle shops, and delicatessens and how amazing it is what a million pounds will buy you in Leytonstone. Nobody ever seems to think about where the displaced families went, as you say.