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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think speaking to her parents will make it worse?

14 replies

RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 09:05

So, quick intro to a long post, I'm long-term mumsnetter but I never post, only read. Now I have a school bully dilemma and I need your help!

My DD (nearly 12 yo) has been in the same class for 6 years. We're not in the UK, and she is in grade 6 of a small school in a small town. I'm from the UK so that makes us foreigners (DH is a local but also a chocolate teapot, and we are in the process of splitting up). Throughout her time at school DD has been in the sights of the class bully. Schools have basically been online here since March 2020 - but they're reopening on Monday and my daughter is dreading it because in this time the bully has closed DD off completely from their online friendship group.

It's a small school with only one class per grade, and there is only a small number of girls in the class. The bullying is of the Mean Girls variety - undermining comments, turning other children against her, using a combo of popularity and fear to control the group - and it is entirely led by one child. (For a brief but delicious period the bully was not in the class and that half-year was wonderful for all concerned!). My DD is not the only target but she's the main one, as her most-loved friend is the chosen best friend of the bully. At the bully's will, DD is allowed to join them, but (presumably when she gets too cosy), the tide turns and she is ostracised.

I encourage my daughter to spend her time with the couple of girls in class who are not part of the bullying group, which she is willing to do, but they don't really share interests so it's not an ideal long-term solution. I've also asked if there are any other girls in the group she can approach (eg Most-Loved Friend) but she is scared that the bully will be told, and crack down on her even more.

It's looking like the kids are going to be together at this school for another two years. The school has helped before - like when I actually learned about the bullying because in a parents meeting about why my daughter cried every night after school, the guidance counsellor mentioned how (very sociable) DD really enjoyed spending all break-times alone (!). Then they arranged organised play at break times so no child would be left out. But now the kids are older and that's not going to fly.

I really want to help DD and fix this situation (who wouldn't?). I am on, not close, but able-to-approach terms with the mother of the bully and I've been wondering whether to raise it with her. But, AIBU to think that by speaking to her, it'll just make everything worse? WWYD? All suggestions welcome!

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NorthernBirdAtHeart · 04/06/2021 09:07

No, speak to school, not the mother.

Iggly · 04/06/2021 09:09

I would speak to the school every single time until it was resolved.

RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 09:17

Thank you, that's reassuring. I'm not a confrontational person so dealing with the school is way more in my comfort zone.

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AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 04/06/2021 09:34

Definitely speak to the school.

Ask your DD to identify someone in the group that she can calmly but directly appeal to, who has the right kind of potential for being an upstander.

Some information on upstander effects and qualities here.

I'm sorry for your DD; I cannot stand this kind of damaging bullying. I pity what the other girl is going through though, to make her feel she needs to be this way. Hopefully she does lose control but that it doesn't throw her into a tailspin in the process.

kitkatsky · 04/06/2021 09:36

Definitely speak to the school, not the mum

Demelza82 · 04/06/2021 09:41

@AtomHeartMotherOfGod

Definitely speak to the school.

Ask your DD to identify someone in the group that she can calmly but directly appeal to, who has the right kind of potential for being an upstander.

Some information on upstander effects and qualities here.

I'm sorry for your DD; I cannot stand this kind of damaging bullying. I pity what the other girl is going through though, to make her feel she needs to be this way. Hopefully she does lose control but that it doesn't throw her into a tailspin in the process.

This wishy washy approach that bullies are somehow victims is, in many albeit not all cases, false and damaging and represents woolly and simplistic thinking. Many just really bloody enjoy it.
RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 09:45

@atomheartmotherofgod thank you for that link. DD says there's no-one she can speak to, but seeing the actual qualities there written down might help her identify someone.

You are absolutely right about feeling sorry for the bully. I believe that she fears losing her friends if she relinquishes power, and she is probably right. In the brief time that she was in another class (when there were enough children for the class to be divided into two), the whole dynamic changed, she may well have felt as much relief as the other girls because there was no loss of face involved.

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maddening · 04/06/2021 09:51

Speak to Stbex about moving to a place with a larger school. Ds was in a very small primary school (12 dc in a year) and one boy took against ds and excluded him online and also got the whole friend group against him, also during the lock down, when he went back it wasn't great and in a small school you have nowhere to go. He moved to a bigger (outstanding and now closer school as we had moved house a couple of years ago). Ds is much happier, it is much easier in a larger group, makes it harder for the "big bully fish in a small pond" to have as much of an effect.

RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 09:57

@Demelza82 I waver between thinking the bully is just spiteful and feeling sorry for her. But at the end of the day something has gone wrong somewhere that she's behaving like this. Her parents seem friendly and not particularly backstabbing! But I'm not close enough to tell if that's an example they've been setting. I can definitely believe that when the children were 6, the bully saw certain other girls as a threat to her friendship with her best friend and found this unhealthy way to keep them off, and stuck to it. But I do know when I've ever been aware either of my kids being mean to others (yes, it happens) I have explained that it's not okay. I'd like to think that if there was a long-standing issue caused by either of mine, I'd learn about it and try and sort it out! That's why I was wondering whether maybe speaking to the parents might be a good idea.

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RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 10:12

@maddening

Speak to Stbex about moving to a place with a larger school. Ds was in a very small primary school (12 dc in a year) and one boy took against ds and excluded him online and also got the whole friend group against him, also during the lock down, when he went back it wasn't great and in a small school you have nowhere to go. He moved to a bigger (outstanding and now closer school as we had moved house a couple of years ago). Ds is much happier, it is much easier in a larger group, makes it harder for the "big bully fish in a small pond" to have as much of an effect.
I think moving would be a very last resort, as it would be an upheaval of our entire life. My work is portable, but we'd all have to start again with new friends and it's been quite hard work forging the relationships we already have to give them up because of one single unkind child. I'm hoping the child will change, instead! Might be optimistic...
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ElphabaTWitch · 04/06/2021 10:22

Another one for speak to the school. Everything you’ve said sugggests that even those in her ‘like’ are probably fearful of going against the grain and therefore won’t speak to your dd. Get your dd to keep a diary of specific instances as well. This will help to build a picture of what exactly is going on. Good luck. I stood up to bullies - hard to do. And start with talking to the school! Tell your dd she is brave for speaking out, and smarter than she knows for coming to you for help. Together you will destroy this situation and benefit greatly.

VodkaSlimline · 04/06/2021 10:39

I wouldn't speak to the bully's parents but have you/could you speak to other class parents about how her behaviour affects the whole group?The child won't change but the school should have been onto her years ago.

RememberImAWomble · 04/06/2021 10:42

@ElphabaTWitch

Another one for speak to the school. Everything you’ve said sugggests that even those in her ‘like’ are probably fearful of going against the grain and therefore won’t speak to your dd. Get your dd to keep a diary of specific instances as well. This will help to build a picture of what exactly is going on. Good luck. I stood up to bullies - hard to do. And start with talking to the school! Tell your dd she is brave for speaking out, and smarter than she knows for coming to you for help. Together you will destroy this situation and benefit greatly.
Thank you, that's very helpful, and makes me feel hopeful that we can resolve this.

I am certain the other girls in the class would also be very grateful, after all it's not fun worrying about your own back the whole time.

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AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 04/06/2021 13:47

Ah thanks for calling me simple, Demelza Hmm.

I agree that some people enjoy it but it's probably best to start from a position of trying for redemption or well-being, on both sides.

There's never an excuse for bullying and 'understanding' should not mean 'no consequences'. There needs to be consequences for this girl but it would be unfair for teachers to go in heavy-handed without understanding what's driving her behaviour.

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