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His ex is not allowing him to forget her

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Sos12345 · 03/06/2021 14:10

I'm at a loss with a man I really really like. I love him. He loves me. We met probably at a bad time for him. Although he claimed it was the exact perfect time to meet me. He had been in an awful place about 6 months before he met me. Suicidal and unhappy after moving out of the home he had lived in with his ex for the best part of a decade. They clearly had their problems. Argued alot. They started doing things seperately. Sounds like he had a fling after they split. Then he realised he wanted his ex. So he begged for her back. Obviously it didn't happen. So he moved out. Got really depressed. Tried to kill himself. Only survived as he was found by someone in the nick of time dying on the floor.

6 months later he is back working. He meets me through work. We got talking. We realised how much we liked eachother. We built up a really lovely friendship and eventually that turned into love. Which got to the stage of wow we could go further and eventually have it all.

Throughout this time his ex was popping in and out his life. Although at first he said it was just messages. They were friends. I remember he actually had a chat with her to say he was seeing someone and she said she was happy for him. But at that stage she seemed to get even more intense with him. He would tell me things she was telling him about her work or life. She would send him pictures of their old dogs. Plants. Tell him about family stuff.

He was sometimes nostalgic. Sometimes seemed cross. I remember him actually saying looking back he didn't like her very much at all. But then he would go so soft about her and say l, he just liked looking out for her now, she was like a friend.

It kind of ruined what we built up as it was becoming quite irritating for me. I was sick of her being mentioned. It felt like everything he liked was linked to her. The places they ate. The places they went.

Three months we ended up apart. In that time I struggled. I missed him terribly. We ended it on an angry note. We bumped into eachother last month. It was abit emotional. We didn't talk much. But after a week he suddenly ramped up the contact. We've talked out some of the things that happened. He wants us to meet and I would love to but he's not giving me the same sort of affection and love from before. He messages me like a friend. Rings me and we just chat. There have been conversations when he's talked about stuff he wants us to do. Like beaches. Zoos. He said he'd like to buy me a piece of jewellery and then explained he had done similar with his ex and got her charms for all the places they went. He hasn't bought me it yet. I'm realising he wants to go to places he took her. But that might not be all bad.

Anyway yesterday I told him my new sandals had torn my feet to shreds. He told me about a brand women wore when he lived in Germany. I googled them to see and it's the exact sandals his ex has on in half his pictures.

I have asked him about his feelings and he's very much no! Would never go back to her. But I truly feel she is the reason we can't progress.

It's been 3 years in December and they are still constantly in touch. It's very off putting.

I know full well they don't want to be together now. But they both clearly have not accepted to move on with other people they need to give the other alot more space than they are giving. It's definitely affecting him. He has an unhealthy obsession with her still I'd say.

I don't want to give him up as we do get on so well. But I fear that she's not going to move on anytime soon. She's 38 and he's 46. She's an attractive woman. So I cant see why she's still alone unless she wants to be.

I don't know what to do. I feel like her moving on is the only way he will let go.

OP posts:
Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 03/06/2021 15:36

Stop kidding yourself OP, he hasn't, and won't, leave his ex behind, and unless you want to waste years of your life, riding this emotional rollercoaster, while he gets the best of both worlds, ie. keeps you both fussing around him, then you need to make a definite end to this relationship. Just text him, and say you've decided that you're no longer prepared to waste your life waiting for him, when his ex still features so heavily in his life, and that you won't be texting him or contacting him again. Then block him. THE END! Once you've done this, get as involved as you can in something else, hobbies, friends, family, etc. so that your thoughts are no longer dominated by him, and you'll soon find that you're ready to move on properly. Good luck, and remember you're worth more than being dangled on the end of someone else's string!

Shodan · 03/06/2021 15:39

He doesn't value you the way you should be valued.

You don't value yourself the way you should, either.

Don't accept secondhand scraps from this man. Surely you must believe yourself to be worth more than he's offering?

Even if he texted you and declared undying love for you, it still wouldn't be sincere. He's not over his ex. He may never be over her. And he's treating you very cruelly, imo, dangling you as though you were a toy for him to pick up and put down as he chooses.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/06/2021 15:51

If it wasn't for this issue we would be perfect and that's the painful thing. He's a wonderful bloke but he needs help.

No you wouldn't @Sos12345, there would be another issue because he isn't capable of maintaining a healthy relationship with himself, nevermind anyone else. There is no happy ending here, he is just sucking you in to his dysfunction.

FeatheredHope · 03/06/2021 15:53

but he needs help

But you cannot help him. Only He can and he isn’t doing so. You are just getting further sucked into his negative space and in the meantime it’s preventing you from meeting someone who actually is wonderful and will treat you with the respect and love you deserve.

Permanentlytiredout · 03/06/2021 16:17

Stop blaming his ex and think about his behaviour before he met you. The ‘suicide attempt’ sounds like a classic narcissistic tantrum to try to reel her back in with guilt and pity. Luckily for her she had the backbone not to fall for it. Most of this sounds like it’s coming from him. It’s possible that she’s too scared to meet someone else in case he tries to pull the suicide attempt stunt again. She may even be on a new relationship but be hiding it from him because she’s scared of his reaction. Get away from this man unless you want to be subjected to the same sort of manipulation and obsession further down the line.

Sally2791 · 03/06/2021 22:26

Sounds like a lot of dramatic poo. I suggest you don’t bother with it.

crimsonlake · 04/06/2021 00:40

He certainly does not need your help, don't even think about saving him.
Move on.

user1473878824 · 04/06/2021 02:00

Tough love: he’s not over her, it’s him, not her that is the problem. Get rid, be sad and then get over it and be glad you’re not running around playing the pick me dance for years before he realises he’s over her and possibly thinks you were great as a safety net but now...

It’s horrible, OP, but it’s not the ex that is the problem. A broken heart is the worst because there is nothing that can make it better other than time. You say it would be perfect if it wasn’t for this but This is quite a bit thing.

RedHelenB · 04/06/2021 02:07

@Sos12345

I agree. I just never find that moment to walk. Hes just not putting the effort in to make me feel he's that fussed. It's making me feel sad as he knows how much I like him and I don't want to be back in this situation. I was silly to try again I guess but I hoped he had sorted his head.

If only I could turn my feelings off. I have tried so hard to understand. But I don't. She didn't want him anymore. Yet she knows exactly how to keep him from forgetting her. Plus he's also not prepared to see me as his top priority.

I wish I could say to him how he makes me feel but it will be a waste of breath. I get a horrible feeling he's in a bad place again mentally too. I wish I knew what he wanted from me.

You sound the same with him, as he is with his ex, clinging on for dear life. For all your sales I wouldn't advise trying again.
Rmka · 04/06/2021 02:53

I agree with PPs that he's not a good man for you, you deserve so much better:

  • he's in love/obsessed with his ex, yet he won't let you go because he's lonely and you provide him with unlimited therapy.
  • he doesn't love you - I'm sorry to say that, but his actions speak for himself. Also if you text someone 'I love you' and they don't respond the same - that's your response.
  • he's not ready for any commitment with you and his actions make it very clear. He keeps his door open for his ex.

I'm sorry, but the only way out is for you to cut off contact with this man completely. You deserve so much better, and once you realise that you'll be relieved. I wish you all the happiness that I have no doubt is ahead of you. Just not with this man Flowers

Pretenditsaplan · 04/06/2021 02:57

Sooo.... You now have the same kind of conversations with him as she does.... Sounds like he likes having a harem of woman he keeps dangling on his every word.

Suzi888 · 04/06/2021 03:43

She wants him around as a friend.
He’s not over her.
He sounds infatuated with her, suggesting the same sandals etc. It’s unhealthy.
I’d tell him that, wish him luck and move on.

Nitpickpicnic · 04/06/2021 04:01

He needed, and still needs, a LOT of counselling.

You can’t offer that, and you should stop trying. Your efforts, hopes, love, support and dreams are just pouring into a hole in the sand. He hasn’t dealt with anything from 3 years ago (probably further back) and that’s on him. Adults recognise the need for self-growth, and seek out professional help when they need it. People who don’t are just plain doomed to paralysis or repeating the same mistakes. He’s stuck on the same old horse on the merry-go-round of life, whipping his head around every time he passes his ex. She doesn’t hold any answers, neither do you. Either he pulls himself together and does the inner work, or he doesn’t. Not your business any more.

On the upside, I think you’re going to get a very pleasant surprise when you let go of this doomed man and start meeting new ones. Many of them will have greater maturity and a clearer set of hopes for the future. A future that they can back up with action. Aim for the whole cake of love, rather than settling for these stale crumbs he’s offering.

arcof · 04/06/2021 04:20

Please try to push down the "if only for this it would be perfect " line of thought. This IS how it is and you can't change it and every day you persist in trying is another day wasted. The sooner you move on, the sooner you'll be in a place to meet someone decent. You don't mention your previous relationships but it sounds as if you have some issues with boundaries and self esteem (not a criticism, many of us have these issues!). I would cut loose, work on those and making your life better in any areas you can, and make this man your past. And you don't owe him a bean, cut off and block if that's what it takes

Looubylou · 04/06/2021 04:25

He sounds draining. Don't get dragged into dramas and supporting his emotional wellbeing, when he isn't committed to you. He will drag you down.

RickiTarr · 04/06/2021 04:33

I don't know what to do. I feel like her moving on is the only way he will let go.

Why are you ascribing to her total control over him, and also giving him royal control over you?

He can make decisions about her. You can make decisions about him.

This sounds like a dramarama from the start. Unless you enjoy the heartache and teeth gnashing and searching the Internet for clues about sandals, what are you getting out of it?

RickiTarr · 04/06/2021 04:35

Generally speaking men who are in live with other women are not good picks.

Do you usually fall for unavailable men?

MintMatchmaker · 04/06/2021 05:05

This man will not bring you happiness.

He could be with you if he wanted to be but he doesn’t. He is using you for emotional support.

chaosrabbitland · 04/06/2021 05:13

with the best will in the world op if he needs help its not your job to give it to him , you have tried , and now it just sounds like hes leaning on you , not committing , hes clearly still invested and thinking about her , . and yes i agree theres no point blaming her , you are right about that ,its up to him to tell her her wants no more contact , but he dosent , hes not over her , i get that it would be perfect if only she didnt contact him and he wasnt somehow mentioning her or these things that are happening , but they are .

personally i would have no more contact with him and move on . life is hard enough as it is . you dont need to focus your energy on hoping to help him and pray this will work . its you to be focused on and helping yourself ,rather than wasting more time hoping this is going to somehow work out , i dont think it will , im sorry to say , it just sounds messy and confusing for you. this would be the case for any woman in your situation . it will be painfull to just cut it off ,, but from what your saying its painfull now though , so better to just deal with feeling upset for a short time ,rather than feel pain constantly if you let it drag on like this .

DeathStare · 04/06/2021 06:32

I dont blame her. I blame them both equally. They both need to work through it before leading others into their lives

What exactly do you blame her for? He is single. He has made it clear to you that he doesn't want to be with you. He doesn't reply when you tell him you love him. He is not your boyfriend he us your ex. Why should she stay away from him? Why is it ok for him to have this weird friendship with one ex who he doesn't want to be with (you) but not with another ex he doesn't want to be with (her)? You aren't together and you don't own him.

You come across as bordering on stalkerish. I think this man is trying to have odd "friendships" (I use the term loosely) to meet his own needs and everybody would be best out of it, but you are the only person who has outright said they aren't happy with it, and the two of them have a more longstanding "friendship" than you and him do. If anyone needs to walk away it's you. Why should the two of them leave a friendship that works for them (however odd and unhealthy it might be) just because it doesn't suit another friend of his (you).

Your follow up posts don't help, you sound completely over-attached to a man you had a short-lived relationship with that has since ended. He doesn't want you. He has made that clear. Either accept this weird needy friendship for what it is (I wouldn't!) or draw a line and move on.

Inertia · 04/06/2021 07:50

Life’s too short to waste your time pining for a man who isn’t into you. He’ll never prioritise you because he doesn’t care enough.

Cut your losses, move on.

WalkingOnTheCracks · 04/06/2021 08:24

I’ve been in his position. Incapable of letting go of a past relationship, and ballsing up at least two or three subsequent relationships because of it - one of which, had I not been so inattentive, would probably have been The One.

You can’t make this work. He probably can’t either. Thing is, if you meet the right person at the wrong time, they’re not actually the right person.

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