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To want him to tell her the truth

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Fungband · 31/05/2021 09:09

Let me preface by saying I’m aware my ex husbands relationship with his girlfriend is none of my business

I left my husband in may 2018, august 2018 I moved 20 miles away as I couldn’t be a single parent and commute to my job. My ex sees DS every two weeks at the weekend.

During our relationship he did things like, strongly hint to an old friend via Facebook messenger that she should send him a picture of her boobs for old times sake. He said I would be okay with it. My son was 4 months old and we were both 22 when this happened.

Then a few years later I discovered he had an ex girlfriend porn stash as well as having photos of one of my best friends which he had somehow stolen from her. He had sexy photos of a friend who had sent them to him to check they were sexy enough to send on to her boyfriend. He was really good at playing the lad friend who’s a decent person type.

There were a couple of other “dodgy” things he did, like he followed a co worker round their shop and took photos of her backside.
Yet I stayed with him because I had no confidence and I thought he was the best I was worth.

I lost weight in 2018, and found the confidence to leave. I went back to discuss me moving to be closer to my work, I had taken two super strong cocodamol, we went upstairs to talk out of earshot of DS. Essentially he asked for a hug, I felt bad so I gave him one. He asked for a kiss and I specifically said “No, I have boundaries in place”.
Cocodamol sometimes makes me sleepy, so I fell asleep and woke up to my leggings round my knees. He was disgusted with himself when I went back to say that what he had done was wrong and I’m ashamed to say I didn’t go to the police, because I thought he would kill himself and because I didn’t want to go through court. I was weak.

Me and DS moved towns and we’ve been doing okay, DS visits his dad every two weeks and they have a good time. It looks like the ex turned over a new leaf.
He got a new girlfriend October 2020 who he has introduced to my son and she’s very lovely and kind to DS

Maybe this is weird but I invited him and her over for dinner recently so I could get to know her better as she’s spending time with DS. The ex told me that his girlfriend wasn’t comfortable with the idea but would maybe go for a walk.

I asked about the walk a couple of weeks later and he told me she had said no.

Turns out she really hates me.

She hates me because he’s told lies or mistruths. She has said she doesn’t want to get to know me because of what she’s heard about me.

He told her for the last two years of our relationship I crushed his confidence..but missed out the part where he made me feel so insecure with his going’s on that I was really bitter and it took me a while to sum up the courage to leave him.

He’s told her I was financially controlling and he didn’t have access to his money. We had a joint account, it all went in to there and bills were paid. He had a measly amount of £30 to spend on himself because he went to uni as a mature student and didn’t want to work part time for the first year so didn’t bring in enough money. He says I was financially controlling because he couldn’t have money to spend but there wasn’t any to spend (I earned 19k). When he graduates uni instead of going into teaching as the plan, he took the first low paid job he was offered and refused to attend the interview for the job that paid 5k more because he wasn’t confident. I managed to make some extra money on the side with matched betting and with that I bought him a cheap car because he wanted one and later on I bought him a better car by taking out a loan. I got a really nice lease car through work when I got a salary bump to 27k and of course he was allowed to drive it.

He tells her I was financially controlling yet misses out where I said if he’d like to be completely responsible for budgeting then he could take control of that and I’d agree to whatever he proposed etc.

So there is truth to what he’s told her but he’s told her a highly skewed version, yes I wasn’t that nice to him at the end of our relationship but my soul was destroyed by his goings on.

So why does it matter? It matters that I’m now seen as a really bad person, she won’t even agree for me to come up to the flat to collect my son because it’s “her space” and me being there makes her feel anxious. She won’t entertain coming out as an extended family for my sons 10th birthday.

She got really mad at the fact that I introduced my partner to my son a month earlier (in terms of timescale)than she got to meet him and said that I held myself to one standard and my ex to another. She’s right, but she doesn’t know that it’s because I didn’t trust my ex for a long time and so yes I do view what I do through a different lense.

He keeps saying he just wants people to get along but this is all because he’s told her things to garner sympathy. Oh look at me I’m so depressed because my horrible ex wife crushed my confidence.

I don’t hold it against her, I hold it against him and I keep asking him to correct things and he is such a coward because he thinks if he tells her she will leave him.

To be clear I do think he has reformed in his “dodgy” ways.

Sorry I rambled, should I leave it alone and let her keep thinking I’m a total bitch? At the end of the day does it matter?

Does it matter than my son is involved in the sense that he spends time with them both?

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PurpleMustang · 31/05/2021 09:23

Wow he sounds a joy! I would start by asking are you hearing all these remarks and reasons from her or him? If from him, how do you know he is telling the truth? If from her, why not just say something, even cryptic, "you can choose to believe what he tells you but there is always two sides". Regarding your son, it depends if this is staying between the adults or impacting your son. Do they talk about you in front of him etc

Fungband · 31/05/2021 09:28

@PurpleMustang

Wow he sounds a joy! I would start by asking are you hearing all these remarks and reasons from her or him? If from him, how do you know he is telling the truth? If from her, why not just say something, even cryptic, "you can choose to believe what he tells you but there is always two sides". Regarding your son, it depends if this is staying between the adults or impacting your son. Do they talk about you in front of him etc
I’m hearing it from him but in person and I’m very easily able to tell if he is lying. It also took a lot to get out of him and he showed me what she had said to him via text. He’s being open because he is worried that I’m holding what he did over his head.

I believe it’s staying between adults but I did personally get upset at home and my son saw. I was telling everyone how lovely she is and then I suddenly found out she hated me and I felt a bit humiliated. So, I think the issue is I feel like there’s been an injustice but I don’t know if it will affect DS. That’s why I’m asking if I’m unreasonable you know? If he’s not picked up in anything yet does it matter that she has an issue with me

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SmokeyDevil · 31/05/2021 09:29

Realistically even if you tell her, would she believe you? Probably not. Or maybe your pictures have just joined his collection and he's not reformed at all.

I can't see you telling her making any difference although I probably would because I wouldn't want someone to make the same mistake I did then find out someone knew about what he is really like but didn't say anything. Plus I'd be pissed off he was blaming me after all that he did.

9weektogo · 31/05/2021 09:36

Are you annoyed because she keeps rebutting your invites or because he has lied about you?

I don’t think setting the story straight will mean she will suddenly be keen to spend time with you - she will probably just get more lies fed from your ex and side with him.

It’s really frustrating but I suspect she will find her own truth - you have tried to reach out to her, there’s not much more you can do.

Fungband · 31/05/2021 09:48

@9weektogo

Are you annoyed because she keeps rebutting your invites or because he has lied about you?

I don’t think setting the story straight will mean she will suddenly be keen to spend time with you - she will probably just get more lies fed from your ex and side with him.

It’s really frustrating but I suspect she will find her own truth - you have tried to reach out to her, there’s not much more you can do.

Because he has lied. She’s allowed to rebut my invited but I feel that when it’s based on those lies that it’s not right.

I started to think about it from her side but all that does is convince me I should tell her, you know, would she want to know what he’s really like but then I think it’s not my place to interfere. I’m torn between indignation and trying to be rational

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Naunet · 31/05/2021 09:50

This man is a rapist and sexual abuser, he has not changed his “dodgy” ways at all. I imagine he wants her to hate you, no way of you having a chat then and her finding out he’s an abuser.

You need to stop expecting better from him, he’s scum.

AyyMacarena · 31/05/2021 09:53

I think she will realise soon enough that his story isn't correct, once he starts doing the same to her.

Ijustknowitstimetogo · 31/05/2021 11:21

Sorry that happened to you. As PP have said she might not be able to believe what you say and it might make things worse. He can then say to her ‘see I told you’ about you. I think the only thing you can do is just carry on being really nice to her and completely reasonable at every opportunity.

Only in time might she come to see what he is really like and that you are actually an ok/ nice person.

Fungband · 31/05/2021 11:21

I don’t think he will do the same to her as I told his mother and father what he had been up to at the time. Of course his mother refused to accept it but it’s a possible safety net

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Shamoo · 31/05/2021 11:29

OP he won’t have changed, he raped and abused you, people like that don’t just suddenly change. He also won’t want her to like you, it works much better for him if the two of you don’t get along.

You won’t be able to change her view, and he isn’t suddenly going to turn around to her and admit that he has lied and that really he is a rapist and abuser. He just isn’t going to do it. So I would strongly suggest you need to find a way to let it go. See him for what he is and don’t try to be friends with him or her. Have a workable relationship with him so you can effectively co-parent your child, and then let the rest of it go.

You sound lovely OP, and he sounds awful. She will see the truth of him sooner or later.

Thelnebriati · 31/05/2021 11:33

I don't think he has changed, I think he's just found a new way to get under your skin while playing the victim.
He sounds like a really nasty piece of work.

Ilady · 31/05/2021 12:34

He has not changed his dodgy ways at all. He may behave for a while to show his best side to her. Of course his going to blame you for his lack of money a few years ago and how you took away his confidence as he was playing the poor me card.
From what you have told us about him I would be glad to that your no longer involved with him.

I watched a friend of mine going through something similar a few years ago with a man who refused to take any responsibility for his own actions. She gave plenty of chances to change his ways but he never did. He then got involved with another woman who was pregnant within a few months of meeting him. Their child is young.

He got in contact with my friend over a year ago. My friend knows he is keen to get into a friends with benefits situation with her but she has no intention of getting involved with him. She said to me I am not going to be their if him and her brake up. She said to me recently that he never changed, grew up and listened to certain advice he was given and now look at his situation.
She told me it was horrible when things did not work out between us in the past but now I am so glad we are not together now. My friend is also due to come into several inheritances in time which he does not know about. I know she is going to tell him this when the time is right.

Fungband · 31/05/2021 12:50

I don’t think he’s ever taken responsibility for his actions based on the fact that he’s played the poor me card. That’s why I am unsure about whether that would effect DS. I don’t think they talk about me in front of him, she wouldn’t because despite her hate for me she still is lovely. But he’s skirted round the topic loads.

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Thelnebriati · 31/05/2021 20:33

Try an experiment. Stop discussing it with him and see how long it takes him to bring it up. When he does (I guarantee he will), refuse to discuss it, act all unconcerned, say 'its water under the bridge' and change the subject.

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