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To ask about covid test for travel

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seashells11 · 31/05/2021 08:49

I don't understand why the NHS test for covid isn't acceptable for travel to other countries. The government require that only the expensive covid -19 PCR test is acceptable.

Obviously this is going to make travel too expensive for some families. Why isn't the big standard NHS test good enough I wonder....and if it isn't why are they using it at all. All about money I presume?

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/05/2021 09:19

I was hoping some of this overpriced testing will be scrapped for vaccinated, because we really, really need to start sorting probate abroad, but need to get there soon.

Or that zuK would put the PCR test cost on par woth most others. Don't understand why it's twice the price here. Actually I do... Mate contract system, I guess.

seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:19

Just to be clear, I've no intention of going on holiday, (don't want to not can afford to) but just wondered why the standard NHS test which is good enough for everyone else isn't good enough for air travel. The government gets revenue from air travel too. So you angry ones, calm down.

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seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:20

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcon

I understand why the NHS PCR tests aren't allowed to be used. They are for people with symptoms, expensive, take time to process and if everyone started using them for travel would cause a strain on the system which would mean symptomatic people having to wait longer for their results.

What I don't understand is that currently the UK government requires a test to be taken before flying to the UK, this can be PCR or LFT, but the NHS LFT tests can't be used. Why? We test twice weekly here anyway, so we always have boxes of the tests at home. If we weren't going away the tests would be used anyway as part of our usual self testing regime which the government are happy to provide us with. We're not taking away tests from symptomatic people or using up space in the labs for tests our holiday. I don't see why we can't take the tests that we already have and would use anyway if we were at home with us to use before travelling back to the UK.

Exactly
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seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:24

£50

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dementedma · 31/05/2021 09:25

Not everyone travelling going abroad is on a jolly. 3 weeks ago I travelled to France to be at the deathbed of my dearest friend, praying I would be in time to say goodbye. The 3 PCR tests here cost me £250 which a friend lent me. The one I had in France was free! There is some serious profiteering going on in the UK.

Anyway, I was lucky I could get hold of the extra money needed. She died the day after I got back home.

lurker101 · 31/05/2021 09:25

@seashells11

£50
Then it’s not much more expensive than you’re expecting if you look around - £59 for a PCR test at Express testing at Heathrow airport, results to be returned within 48hrs. Other airports available
seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:26

£50 is a reasonable amount to charge I'd say , what they charge now is ridiculous.

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shivawn · 31/05/2021 09:29

@Bramblespoint

It's not that it isn't good enough. It's that the NHS test is for symptomatic people. The government are not paying for you to go away on holiday.

If you need vaccines such as yellow fever you'd pay for those - this is no different.

Why should the tax payer fund people's holidays Hmm

This exactly. Why on earth would the NHS system get bogged down testing people so they can go on holidays? I think you're clearly being unreasonable here.

Covid tests are part of the cost of the holiday for now. If you can't afford them then unfortunately you can't afford to go abroad.

seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:30

@dementedma

Not everyone travelling going abroad is on a jolly. 3 weeks ago I travelled to France to be at the deathbed of my dearest friend, praying I would be in time to say goodbye. The 3 PCR tests here cost me £250 which a friend lent me. The one I had in France was free! There is some serious profiteering going on in the UK.

Anyway, I was lucky I could get hold of the extra money needed. She died the day after I got back home.

Sorry about your friend. Flowers But yes why do people always jump the gun on here. So eager to shout you down. You literally can't ask a reasonable question.
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seashells11 · 31/05/2021 09:33

Covid tests are part of the cost of the holiday for now. If you can't afford them then unfortunately you can't afford to go abroad
Which is part of the point I'm making, holidays for the rich. The undeserving poor won't get one.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/05/2021 09:34

Then it’s not much more expensive than you’re expecting if you look around - £59 for a PCR test at Express testing at Heathrow airport, results to be returned within 48hrs. Other airports available

Is it Atruchecks? I saw it and thought it's a scam because it's cheaper than others. Well cheaper.🙈
The pricez are dropping overal though so 🤞

covid19tests.atruchecks.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwktKFBhCkARIsAJeDT0jUHNlQEY7vmVpH4WWkXX2SuyhsGI4x8OSu13rzgmEEENV_uIyJiGIaAthPEALw_wcB

jollyho · 31/05/2021 09:37

@seashells11

£50 is a reasonable amount to charge I'd say , what they charge now is ridiculous.
I just paid £45 for a day 2 PCR test. I’m more annoyed that fully vaccinated people need to show a negative test to fly into the country.
Hopdathelf · 31/05/2021 09:37

The undeserving poor won't get one.

It was ever thus.

EasterIssland · 31/05/2021 09:38

Nhs ones come back as negative / positive only. This is not what other countries request. They also request passport / name / place where you had it done / laboratory etc. So the nhs does the job is meant to be done for.

Pcrs aren’t that expensive (if you’ve to take one) I’ve seen a few places for £100. If you can afford a holiday then you can afford the pcr. And tax payer shouldn’t subsidise it.

I’m flying twice this year. I’m happy to pay for my pcrs if i have to

shivawn · 31/05/2021 09:42

@seashells11

Covid tests are part of the cost of the holiday for now. If you can't afford them then unfortunately you can't afford to go abroad Which is part of the point I'm making, holidays for the rich. The undeserving poor won't get one.
This is life. Rich people do of course get luxuries that poor people can't afford.
jacks11 · 31/05/2021 09:48

There is clearly a significant misunderstanding of the tests. There are 2: the lateral flow test and the PCR test. They are not used in the same way and they are not directly comparable.

The lateral flow is the one they use for surveillance testing of NHS staff, social care workers, in schools etc. It’s benefits are that it is relatively cheap and the results are quickly available. The downsides are that it has a high false negative rate, when compared to the PCR - some studies suggesting a false negative rate of 42-48%. We also know that self-administered tests (I.e. done by untrained people) are far more likely to give a false negative as people frequently do not carry them out correctly, but because it is simply not possible to have all the required lateral flow testing done by trained personnel, we have had to go with the less accurate self-administration set up. In addition, there is growing evidence that a single lateral flow test is not useful in terms of absolute positive or negative, but if done frequently (I.e. 2 or 3 times per week) that us the real benefit in terms of reducing spread. A lateral flow test can also be positive for some time after infection has resolved (in some cases it can many weeks). Taken together this is the reason why it lateral flow tests are used as a surveillance tool and not a diagnostic one. If you have a positive lateral flow, a PCR is used to confirm infection.

The PCR test is far more accurate (though still not 100%, but the best we have) but takes longer for the result. You could not use this for surveillance because it takes too long for the result to become available. There is faster version available but supplies are limited and much more expensive.

PCR tests are the diagnostic test for those who have symptoms or asymptomatic positive lateral flow. They are also used for ensuring negative status prior to planned hospital admission and to confirm whether emergency admissions are positive or not.

Given this it is not surprising that some countries want the most accurate test before allowing travellers in. It is also not surprising that this country might want testing before and in your return. Last years travelling was a significant contributory in last years autumn rise of cases. Non-essential holidays cannot be allowed to cause problems again.

Of course you should pay for your own tests for going on holiday. And you are paying not just for the costs of the test itself- you are also paying for use of the equipment, staff costs, and administrative costs etc. And yes, because it is a private company they will need to make a profit. If you don’t want to contribute to that profit, don’t pay for a test. Because NHS care is free at point of care, many people don’t really understand the true cost of what seem quite simple things.

NHS time and resources should not be used for those going on holiday. The time that is needed to process the test should not be wasted on doing tests for holiday makers. And why on earth should the costs of your holiday be subsidised by the NHS? If you want to go abroad (not essential) then you must factor this cost into your holiday. If it means you have to stay in this country this year, then that’s what you do.

MadeOfStarStuff · 31/05/2021 09:49

Firstly other countries make the rules about the tests they will accept anyway

And secondly why the fuck should people who can’t afford to go on holiday have to subsidise other people’s holidays through taxes? If people can afford to go abroad they should include the costs of tests in their budget. If you can’t afford tests then you can’t afford to go abroad.

Of course healthcare and education tests should be funded because those are vital services. Holidays abroad are not.

MadeOfStarStuff · 31/05/2021 09:52

OP are you only just realising that rich people can afford luxuries that poor people can’t? Hmm

lurker101 · 31/05/2021 10:19

@SchrodingersImmigrant it’s a company called Express Test, accessible through Heathrow website £59 walk in/drive through testing www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport/fly-safe/covid-19-test

SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/05/2021 10:24

Ah. Thanks. I was hoping they are close by as well. Shame.

SoupDragon · 31/05/2021 10:28

@seashells11

Covid tests are part of the cost of the holiday for now. If you can't afford them then unfortunately you can't afford to go abroad Which is part of the point I'm making, holidays for the rich. The undeserving poor won't get one.
Do you also think air travel and passports should be free? The cost of those also prevents the "undeserving poor" from going abroad.
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 31/05/2021 12:35

Giving the test free to allow people to travel would be a waste of tax funds as no one needs to travel so if they choose to do so they pay the costs. If the costs are high, some will think twice about going. The less travel the better. No one needs a holiday, it’s a want.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/05/2021 12:38

Travel isn't just for holidays

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 31/05/2021 12:38

@seashells11

Covid tests are part of the cost of the holiday for now. If you can't afford them then unfortunately you can't afford to go abroad Which is part of the point I'm making, holidays for the rich. The undeserving poor won't get one.
A holiday is a want though, if people want one so much then they can save, earn more, take a second job etc. Opportunities in life have always mainly come with a cost. Handling people life on a plate would take away work ethics etc.
SoupDragon · 31/05/2021 12:54

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Travel isn't just for holidays
That is irrelevant I think. The tests still shouldn't be free from the NHS.

It's now part of the cost of travel abroad. Perhaps air fares etc should be priced to include the cost of an appropriate test so it is clear.

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