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AIBU Mumsnetters are being disingenuous about the need for women to be financially independent

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Waferbiscuit · 30/05/2021 08:55

MNers regularly stress the importance of being financially independent and any post about SAHMs usually has lots of cautions about being financially reliant on a partner. A recent post about marrying into money had virtually ever poster stating that telling our daughters to marry into money is a horrible idea and that the key thing we should be doing is teaching our daughters to be financially independent.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4234513-to-thin-k-women-still-teach-their-daughters?pg=2&&reverse=1

This is all good in principle, but it feels very disingenuous, almost like virtue signalling, because in reality only a minority of women are financially independent/support themselves financially.

Look at the stats (ONS 2019/2020):
• 29% of women of working age (16-64) are economically inactive! Only 71% are in some form of work. (Of course some of these will be students, but not all)
• Of women with dependent children, only 36% work full time, 37% work part time and the rest don’t work at all. For those working part-time unless you’re on a very high income you wouldn’t be making enough to support your family and will be contributing a lesser amount to the family.
• Anecdotally I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen so many women my age dropping out of the workforce or moving to very limited part-time. They can do this not because they’ve amassed huge savings over their career, but because they have a partner making a lot more money than them.

My question is why do we pretend to value financial independence for women when the majority of women are not. Most women don’t make enough money to support themselves on their own, they rely on someone else’s income to maintain their lives, and the vast majority of women with children wouldn’t be able to raise their family on their income alone.

I sound like I’m being critical but I’m not – this is reality for women: the gender pay gap and time off having children means they make less than men, having children makes it harder to work FT, and we live in an economy where you need two incomes to survive.

So why can’t we just be honest and tell our daughters ‘Yes, it’s good to have a job and an income, but if you want a good lifestyle you need to have a partner working to support you. And if you have children you will probably not make enough money to support your family solo, you will end up being reliant on someone else, so please be aware of the risks.’ Why BS about being financially independent when only a small percentage of women are – or can be?

My POV on this is that I’ve been single most of my life and aside from 7 years with someone, I have had to live and raise children on my one salary. So I do fall into the financial independent category, but it’s been a slog and frankly a lot of women are having a much easier time than me by being financially dependent!

OP posts:
Grellbunt · 01/06/2021 10:00

Yes

Too many women with children interpreting financially independent as "need to pay for everything myself (including the cost of children). That is a trap.

Atalantea · 01/06/2021 10:11

@Grellbunt

Yes

Too many women with children interpreting financially independent as "need to pay for everything myself (including the cost of children). That is a trap.

Isnt 'financially independent' being able to pay if you had to?
Grellbunt · 01/06/2021 10:13

Possibly. But it sure as hell shouldn't mean doing it when you DON'T have to. Noone should have to, is my point. Every child has two parents.

Grellbunt · 01/06/2021 10:15

I think those are two separate points, really.

Templetreebloom · 01/06/2021 11:18

@Grellbunt

Yes

Too many women with children interpreting financially independent as "need to pay for everything myself (including the cost of children). That is a trap.

Yes a trap shitty men are happy to exploit. There are separate points here but no women shouldnt have to support children independently of the man who fathered them. I think many women do as the alternative is continued abuse and manipulation. We need courts to stop this and laws which mean men are held to account.
Castlepeak · 01/06/2021 17:00

Completely agree. Being capable of supporting yourself and your children is entirely different than footing the entire bill. The fact is that women are impacted financially by having children and their parenting partners should be compensating them for that economic impact. I absolutely want to scream every time I see someone on here with children say they are splitting the bills 50:50 during the early years. I have to restrain myself from making my dd read my old economics textbooks when I read those threads because I don’t want her falling into those same traps.

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