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AIBU to send this email to the teachers re: homework?

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/05/2021 18:24

I have just composed the following email to my son's teachers. We are overwhelmed at home, and at breaking point. I have 2 young children in yr 3 and yr1. My yr3 son has Autism and ADHD. I am a single parent. They don't see their father. My boyfriend is a FT teacher with his own child and doesn't live with me - so no room to help there. My Mum lives 80 miles away, so no support there either. I'm an only child, so no other family support. So basically I'm doing all this myself as well as working as a midwife.

Do you think this email comes across as aggressive, or offensive? I've run it past my boyfriend (yr 2 teacher) and mum (recently retired primary head and current ofsted inspector) who have both told me to get it sent. But I'm an anxious mess right now as I'm very much a person who has to do the right thing, follow the rules etc. but this time, my son needs me to stand up for him. And I need to create a better balance at home for us. I don't want my son to suffer though by not doing the work. So I feel like I can't win 🤷‍♀️.

"As a family, we are struggling with the amount of homework/spellings/reading that there is to complete due to how long the process takes with X, and also having a sibling needing to complete a similar level of work too. Previous conversations we have had you have told me that X is able to do this work independently. This has not been the case. X's rigidity and fixed thinking (due to his Autism) means he struggles to do what he perceives as work outside of the "work environment" ie. school. This is why homeschooling was so incredibly difficult. A 30 minute meltdown on average at having to do homework at weekends (this has been the case throughout his education) is not him being able to work independently. Once he actually sits down to do it, it still involves me keeping him on track, constant reminders, keeping him focused etc. If I allow him to complete the work "independently" then he is not reading it, and doing what he thinks he should. Therefore he learns nothing from the exercise. As such I am questioning what point there is in doing homework for him. It feels like a box tick exercise rather than a learning opportunity. I want X to enjoy learning as he does at school.

With spellings, X can't sit on an ipad quietly and just get on with them. Perhaps he can in school, but again at home he is distracted by his environment. It is just not the same as school, and never can be. It is no easier getting him to write them out. It results in the same level of protest and meltdown as he is so fixed in his way of thinking. Reward charts and other means of bribery are not helpful at home either.

We already struggle to fit reading and spellings in as Monday, Tuesday and Thursday (my most common shift pattern) we only get home at 5.15-5.30. This leaves 1 hour 30 to make dinner, eat, read with both children, try and do spellings, his sibling has numbots to do also , have a bedtime story, try and fit baths in at some point etc. Both children are tired and ready for bed at 7, with lights out at 7.30 after stories. They get very little down time to spend as a family which is important for children.

Going forward, we will be prioritising reading as this is the key to all learning and something X needs lots of support with to make progress. We will not be completing homework unless X will do so of his own volition as this is not something that is benefiting him currently. I will review this as X gets older.

I hope you can understand my reasons for this. I believe children need a balance of work and rest/fun. At present, particularly for X, the balance is tipped greatly towards work. I want to give him a better balance and reduce the amount of meltdowns we are having and have a happier child.

If it is possible to facilitate doing homework or spellings in after school provision then this of course would be welcomed especially if X is less resistant in the school environment."

Please help. I want to send this tomorrow morning.

OP posts:
Abricot1993 · 23/05/2021 21:15

Just a bit of context and to calm down this obsession with homework in the UK. Year 3 pupils in Switzerland would be expected to do 20 minutes of homework per night on a weekday and never any homework on a Friday or over the weekends. Year ones have no homework at all. The more you stress and push children the worse the outcome. Shorten the message and just say you cannot manage with this level of homework and ask the teachers how can they give individual learning goals for homework. eg read together every night or what ever they think. I just want to give you the message that a calm
and positive atmosphere at home is more important and to not worry. Children here only start to learn to read and write at age 6 to 7 and they are fine.

ForeverInADay · 23/05/2021 21:29

I actually think it's fine as is.

You are absolutely right to send it. You need to prioritise your family and son and ensure he has calm down time.

I might go with what you had but deleting the paragraph about days/times as you don't have to justify yourself to that degree (but if you want to leave it then that's absolutely ok too).

I also have a Yr 3 son with ASD so can relate to the need for them to decompress and be children at home! We do very little homework in the week as he just can't settle to it. It's weekends only for us at the moment and even then it can be a struggle I have to build up to.

Thanks
Bimblybomeyelash · 23/05/2021 21:34

*Abricot1993

Just a bit of context and to calm down this obsession with homework in the UK. Year 3 pupils in Switzerland would be expected to do 20 minutes of homework per night on a weekday and never any homework on a Friday or over the weekends.* now that seems a lot to me! I think most Uk year 3s will have a spelling and a maths homework per week plus reading. So less than 20 mins per night.

Abricot1993 · 23/05/2021 21:36

Aah but sorry I did not say they have two afternoons a week where they have no school from 12 onwards.

Lougle · 23/05/2021 21:39

I would send:

Dear Teacher

We have been trying to do the homework set with Jack at home. However, due to his ASD, he has fixed ideas that school work is for school and is very resistant to doing work at home. I have decided to prioritise reading with him for the rest of this term and hope that in year 4 he will be more amenable to home learning.

Kind regards

Frustrated Mum.

MiaRoma · 23/05/2021 21:45

@ThisMustBeMyDream

The reason for the email and the length is because I am not being listened to. I also have the overwhelming urge to justify why it is all too much. I suspect it is the attitude of his teachers (one more than the other tbh!) that is driving my need to explain. Sad

With an email of that length you won't be listened to again. Its way way too long.

Keep it short and bullet pointed

FrippEnos · 23/05/2021 21:45

@sparemonitor

I would go with

'Dear teacher,

We are really struggling with the homework at the moment - could I arrange a time to chat to you about it after half term, so we can work out a way forward?

yours etc'

this stuff is best said rather than emailed, your email is a bit long

This is all you need to put in the email.
MiaRoma · 23/05/2021 21:48

I think its best to say everything in writing/email, now, as you haven't been heard previously when you've chatted.

But keep it really clear concise and short

Hardertobreathe · 23/05/2021 21:53

X's rigidity and fixed thinking (due to his Autism) means he struggles to do what he perceives as work outside of the "work environment" ie. school

My DS has ASD & ADHD to him, once school finished it was done, school work belonged at school not home. (Now a teen so didn’t even have to home school) By year 4 we told school that if they wanted him to do the work they set for homework then they would have to keep him in at break time to do it because we were no longer prepared to make our home a battleground. It was hell trying to get him to do homework so I totally understand the issue Flowers

CloudyGladys · 23/05/2021 22:00

@sparemonitor

I would go with

'Dear teacher,

We are really struggling with the homework at the moment - could I arrange a time to chat to you about it after half term, so we can work out a way forward?

yours etc'

this stuff is best said rather than emailed, your email is a bit long

Send this.

Copy in the Senco, rather than the headteacher.

Greenmarmalade · 23/05/2021 22:27

Any decent teacher will take time to read it and appreciate the detail to gain insight into their student’s experiences and background. I would.

Birminghambloke · 23/05/2021 22:28

It’s too long. Best to say:
Please could we meet to discuss homework expectations. I’d like to share some things I’m experiencing currently at home.

You can share more in the conversation.

I can be a bit long in written things- sometimes less is more. Once it’s out there in writing, it’s there and open to interpretation.

DaphneDuBois · 23/05/2021 23:05

@meadowbreeze

Have you written an email just saying: Hi, just to let you know, we are really struggling with completing X's homework recently. Would it be at all possible for him to not do homework for now? It would be great to speak to you about this if possible as it's been quite hard for us recently.

I think your email sounds harsh if it's the first time the teacher has heard of this level of struggle. You may have mentioned your child struggling, but they probably have no idea it's to this extent.
I have a DD with an EHCP and there are some emails I've sent that I now cringe about. Your whole family will be taking this emotionally so no point taking their advice imho.
I would skip all that detail and see if you can have a chat instead but maybe send a short email as above.

Agree with this (I’m a teacher). I think the wording sounds very formal / a bit like a letter of complaint whereas you want it to be informative but friendly in tone. The box-ticking sounds a bit accusatory given that the teacher will be fully expected to set it by their own line manager. If I read it, I’d think you were really pissed off with me tbh.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with parents asking for their pupils to not have homework and when it’s a request in writing it’s a relief for teachers (mainly as we know we won’t have leadership on our cases about why a pupil isn’t doing it). You won’t have any issues with insisting that you decide what gets done at home.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 24/05/2021 08:30

Really surprised by the comments re afterschool club not doing the homework. Of course its acceptable to ask afterschool club, they all do round my way. There are children at breakfast club from 8am not collected til 6pm. When do you think these children are supposed to do it?

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 24/05/2021 08:32

It’s too long. Best to say:
Please could we meet to discuss homework expectations. I’d like to share some things I’m experiencing currently at home.You can share more in the conversation.

I disagree with this. It is too long with too much detail on your shift patterns etc but you need to make your requirements crystal clear in writing, as you've had conversations already and they are not getting you anywhere.

MeadowLines · 24/05/2021 08:44

Can I just ask - is it that the teachers think he can do the work at home because you have been helping him so much. Im not saying you are wrong to do so but maybe it is masking the issue from the teacher, and they assume as he works independently at school, that he can do it at home regardless of what you say.

Could you, for a week or 2, let ds do the work with no help from you as they suggest he is able to do. If that means he doesn't do it all, or does it all wrong, then for short time, so be it! Let them see what he is actually capable of at home. And discuss with them then what has actually been going on, how much help you have given him, and the stark difference when you withdraw the help as they have suggested he is able for.

Soontobe60 · 24/05/2021 08:56

@MeadowLines

Can I just ask - is it that the teachers think he can do the work at home because you have been helping him so much. Im not saying you are wrong to do so but maybe it is masking the issue from the teacher, and they assume as he works independently at school, that he can do it at home regardless of what you say.

Could you, for a week or 2, let ds do the work with no help from you as they suggest he is able to do. If that means he doesn't do it all, or does it all wrong, then for short time, so be it! Let them see what he is actually capable of at home. And discuss with them then what has actually been going on, how much help you have given him, and the stark difference when you withdraw the help as they have suggested he is able for.

I’d agree with this. As a teacher, I’d much rather see what the children can do unaided at home rather than heavily supported by an adult. Actually it’s the same in school. Often, a child with an EHCP relies very heavily on a TA to tell them what to do rather than support them to work independently. In my role as SENCO I spent a lot of time modelling to others what effective support looks like- ie NOT getting a child to blindly copy a sentence an adult has written for them, of follow the step by step instructions for completing a calculation without any regard to whether they actually understand what to do.
vivainsomnia · 24/05/2021 09:14

We will not be completing homework unless X will do so of his own volition as this is not something that is benefiting him currently. I will review this as X gets older
I thought your email was reasonable until it got to the above.

It’s fair to say that he and you can’t cope with the amount of homework as it stands, but to them say that the solution is for your ds to only do it when he he wants is counterproductive and comes across as just the easy solution for you to avoid meltdown.

I would have more respect for a parent who discussed options that means reducing the time spent on homework, or coming up with suggestions so that it’s easier on your son than deciding of your own accord that there will be no homework because having fun is more important. Suggesting it can be done in after school, ie. an environment which is also more conductive of having fun undermines your point that it’s the home environment that is the issue. It sounds like you want to wash your hands of it all.

I totally appreciate that it’s hard as a single mum. I was one too working FT with no help, so totally sympathise but giving up on it and hoping it somehow gets better with time is not the solution.

Comefromaway · 24/05/2021 09:18

@TeenMinusTests

Viciously No. I am suggesting that at some schools it might be possible for 1 child with SEN to be allowed to enter early and sit quietly in a classroom doing their spellings whilst the teacher/TA set up around them. It is a potential reasonable adjustment. They can always say no it isn't possible, but as a parent of a child with SEN, if you don't ask you don't get.
At my son's secondary school they had the facility for an extra supervised period at the end of the day for SEN/autistic children to complete homework in the school envoronment.

It is, as you say, a reasonable adjustment. Im primary it may have to be done differently, but you can bet they will have all sorts of intervention groups.

EmeraldShamrock · 24/05/2021 09:25

Can you simplify it and ask for a reduced homework timetable.
My DD does 30% of each subject, they originally said 15 minutes per subject it takes her 15 mins to line the page.
Take the emotions out "DS is really struggling with the homework it is having knock on affects in the family" suggest extra resource in class might help.
It's a bloody battle I've been there it ruined my relationship with DD for a few months until I spoke up and got it reduced.

EmeraldShamrock · 24/05/2021 09:28

I agree with the unaided. I no longer help DD she has improved slightly.

vivainsomnia · 24/05/2021 09:49

Also what routine do you have at home? The issue is often when the child comes home, gets a snack and starts to watch tv or play games etc... and is them expected to do homework.

I would focus on the days you are not working and home earlier. Give a quick snack at the table and then do 1/2 hour or more work before any fun.

On days you are ho,W later, make it 10/15mns as soon as you get home. Get it over with.

Comefromaway · 24/05/2021 09:51

@vivainsomnia

Also what routine do you have at home? The issue is often when the child comes home, gets a snack and starts to watch tv or play games etc... and is them expected to do homework.

I would focus on the days you are not working and home earlier. Give a quick snack at the table and then do 1/2 hour or more work before any fun.

On days you are ho,W later, make it 10/15mns as soon as you get home. Get it over with.

For a child with an asd or adhd it really doesn't matter what routing you do or don't have. Just getting through a school day is utterly exhausting and there is a rigid mindset of school is for work and home is for letting go.
thecatwithnoeyes · 24/05/2021 10:31

@vivainsomnia

Also what routine do you have at home? The issue is often when the child comes home, gets a snack and starts to watch tv or play games etc... and is them expected to do homework.

I would focus on the days you are not working and home earlier. Give a quick snack at the table and then do 1/2 hour or more work before any fun.

On days you are ho,W later, make it 10/15mns as soon as you get home. Get it over with.

If only.

My DD used to come out of the lower primary years so stressed out and done she couldn't even talk for about 2 hours afterwards.

DS would bounce about the house without a chance he would sit at the table.

I know you probably mean well, but realistically going home for a quick snack and straight into school work is the very last thing most children with autism need after a long day keeping their shit together

koolaid · 24/05/2021 10:48

@BlackeyedSusan

Too long.

Short and sweet. Mentioning disability. Specifically mention disability. And reasonable adjustments.

Not that it did us much good. Though ds is not getting chased for homework in secondary school.

This.

I find if they aren't listening to you, take all the explanations and emotion out of it, and just stick to the facts and the law. They can't really agree with that!

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