to think that the McDonalds protest is a bloody stupid idea that will not get anyone onside?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Protester are blockading Maccies distribution centres to try and get them to commit to be fully plant based by 2025.

Now I cansee the argument about meat production affecting the environment but.......McDonalds sell what people want to eat! They are a business and are not going to agree to do something that could decimate their customer base!

And this kind of protest just pisses people off, if you want to take the kids for a maccies on the way home from shopping because you cba to cook then finding out that they have no food in then you are hardly going to feel very well disposed to the people who have caused it are you?

Develop a plant-based burger that looks, tastes, smells and feels exactly like the real thing, that is environmentally friendly and costs less money

And doesn't give you a bad case of the shits.

Scrowy Meat production requires a much higher amount of water than vegetables. IME state that to produce 1kg of meat requires between 5,000 and 20,000 litres of water. This includes the agricultural farming needed to produce the food for them. Not just what they drink from a trough daily.

those who think the publicity from this is going to change the world are sorely mistaken and very naive.

it has in the past, so why do you think its different now?

Because these types of protests have been going on for years and what have they achieved? Because people will be eating meat long after you and I have gone and anyone who doesn't believe that is beyond naive. Because this is happening in the UK, which is not known as a major agricultural country, so what makes you think the rest of the world is taking any notice?

@WomenAreBornNotWorn

The feed our cows eat is grass and straw that is watered by the rain!!

Not every farm is importing lots of soya for feed!

This behaviour makes me so angry. I’m not vegan and never will be. All these ppl are doing is making massive tits of themselves.

YANBU OP

McDonald's can sell meat if they want to (which, incidentally is eaten by the majority of the population and makes business sense). Some people like me, need to consume animal products for optimum health, we wouldn't do well on a 'plant based' diet.

I'm fed up of these mobs and I find myself increasingly disliking companies who succumb to the woke and thought police.

The constant indoctrination in advertising, the films and series with a (not so hidden) 'message', the 'we are cashless' bunch is irritating.

I try not to buy from companies who jump on this bandwagon where I can help it. Leave people and their thoughts alone! You are losing customers!

scientists are moving forward with better ideas on sustainability, replacing meat with better healthier options

Meat is not unhealthy. I will not be forced to consume these man-made concoctions or convinced they are a better alternative because they're not.

By all means eat what what you want, as long as your choices don't have a victim

I think if you find nature triggering, the problem is yours. The world is set up around a system of prey animals and predator animals. You wipe out the predators and the prey don’t survive. Nature knows what it’s doing here!

We are a predator, we are designed to eat meat. What we need is more ethical farming, asking people to cut down their meat intake rather than stopping completely. It’s not evil to enjoy eating meat, it’s natural, the issue is how we go about it in the modern world.

And doesn't give you a bad case of the shits

some eat mcd for this very reason?

In my experience such protestors are often well supported by their families

They are not supported by their families. There are likely whole organisations with a myriad of vested interests funding these 'protests'

asking people to cut down their meat intake rather than stopping completely

Some people don't want to or can't 'cut down' either

@PickAChew

Develop a plant-based burger that looks, tastes, smells and feels exactly like the real thing, that is environmentally friendly and costs less money

And doesn't give you a bad case of the shits.

Quornmageddon😂

The world is overpopulated. To survive, we are going to need more and more Frankenstein-foods dressed up as green alternatives.
Water and sunlight being turned into nutrious food in the form of cattle via grass is becoming a thing of the past.
We are all going to be exhorted to eat more and more processed food and told it is “worthy.”

The world is overpopulated. To survive, we are going to need more and more Frankenstein-foods dressed up as green alternatives.

Grill Bill. 😁 Coming to restaurants near you.

Human mean except brain is apparently safe to consume

@KaleSlayer

CuriousaboutSamphire

As a vegan though, if you do anything to educate, you’re called ‘preachy’....so we can’t win really.

Sorry I am late back... but have you thought that it's the tone, the emotional hit that comes with the usual vegan message?

All the detailed emotive, often outdated information about animal husbandry. The sort that focusses on the outright lies that PETA peddle and give absolutely no credence to the changes being made for the better in many places across the world? A better focus on areas, like Brazil, that do need the global eye upon them, would be better!

The one sided focus on stats, like the eleventybillion buckets of water per quarter pounder, and absolutely no realistic look at the similar water requirements for say, almonds, and what impact upscaling plant based production or processing of plant based foods would have.

And a steadfast refusal to enter into any conversation whatsoever about the first steps... any kind of roadmap towards reducing meat consumption, reducing the impact on both animals and the environment.

Almost every vegan I ever speak to tries to lay an emotional guilt trip on me. One, maybe 2 are happy to enter into a 2-way discussion about the logistics, the reality of change. THAT is why the ridiculing stereotype of vegans exists. Far too many have no wish to truly engage in a back and forth about the realities. They just deliver the animal killing, water stealing, planet busting hyperbole speech and step back looking smug, or cry!

The first thread here that asks for and delivers a vegan led discussion of the realities of reducing and/or eliminating meat from the human diet; that consistently refutes the outdated and hyperbolic claims and focusses instead on a realistic road map to reduced meat consumption as a first step, will probably run for months, productively!

@mustlovegin

asking people to cut down their meat intake rather than stopping completely

Some people don't want to or can't 'cut down' either

That’s why I said ask, not demand.

No, its really great. It means the working class will finally realise that the middle class zealots hate them, and everything they and their culture stands for. Hopefully they (the working class) will act accordingly.

@Empressofthemundane

The world is overpopulated. To survive, we are going to need more and more Frankenstein-foods dressed up as green alternatives. Water and sunlight being turned into nutrious food in the form of cattle via grass is becoming a thing of the past. We are all going to be exhorted to eat more and more processed food and told it is “worthy.”

Or, practice birth control, and act responsibility.

My husband is not only ASD with limited foods but also allergic to many plant based meat alternatives. We would have even fewer places and things to eat if these prats had their way! They care about animals but don’t seem to care as much for their fellow human beings. Also if the whole world went plant based and organic starvation and poverty would be rife, food production would cause even more havoc to the environment because of the number of fields etc needing to be used (soil used for food production has to have ‘rest’ periods so couldn’t be used 100% of the time). These people need to think outside of their tiny self righteous bubbles.

Some people eat meat, some don't, you can't force a business that has built its entire success on meat to go vegan! Fucking ridiculous.

Or, practice birth control, and act responsibility.

To be fair, that can be a first world luxury, not everywhere provides good access to birth control.

Perhaps the rich world could support female education and birth control.

@Empressofthemundane

Perhaps the rich world could support female education and birth control.

Or maybe, given the realities of all things sexual in some countries, that should be 'educate the men'!

YABU: From what I've read, this group are concerned about the enormous power of this multinational corporation, their relentless pursuit of profit and the resulting impact of this on the biodiversity of our planet and the health of it's citizens. As an example, they cite McDonalds' opaque auditing and reporting practices and how their use of 'greenwashing' masks the true extent of their involvement in the destruction of the Rainforest.

They also care about the way animals are treated in the diary and meat industries.

They have executed a direct-action-plan, without violence, and achieved considerable publicity for their cause.

These people have taken time out of their lives to organise and protest about something they care about.

The climate crisis, the future of farming and animal welfare are all hugely important and inter-related issues.

Eat and enjoy your beef burger, but I, for one, am happy to also consider the alternatives.

My husband is not only ASD with limited foods but also allergic to many plant based meat alternatives. We would have even fewer places and things to eat if these prats had their way! They care about animals but don’t seem to care as much for their fellow human beings

I agree 100%