To think that prison is just not the answer?

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www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/19304197.man-pulled-womans-teeth-terrifying-attack/

After this brutal and premeditated attack, while already under a restraining order, he will be locked up for 4 years... less, if he gets parole.

AIBU to think he will come straight out and hurt her again (or some other woman)?

Any suggestions as to more effective ways to deal with men like him? Can someone like that ever be integrated into civilised society?

Devil's Island seems like a good option to me.

Do you want to bring back hanging OP?
Yes that man is a cunting bastard.
Prison is what democracy says is a good option.
Let’s hope he is forced to get some treatment- personally, I’d like to see men like him forced to work for unprivileged people- for nothing and for a very long time / whilst in prison

Jeez that is incredibly violent and I agree that prison probably isn’t going to be the answer. Not that short amount of time anyway

But I don’t know what the answer is

What he did was premeditated attempted murder, IMHO. So he should be locked up for a lot longer than 4 years. Can he ever be let out. IMHO probably not.

There is no rehabilitating some violent people. The answer is to keep them in prison forever or execute them, in extreme cases, but it's unpopular, so they end up back with the rest of the world, and we have to just hope they don't do it again.

This specific man? After reading what he did, having no doubt that he's the one who did it and that he wanted to kill that woman, I'd have no problem with execution, to be completely honest. I wish she'd have been able to fight back and kill him, herself, except for the chance that she might have suffered misguided guilt for doing whatever she could to defend herself.

He should have got 30 years.

From the article: 'He said he had stopped taking his psychosis medication and was using crack cocaine'.

Prison isn't the answer here, this man needs intensive psychiatric treatment. Surely a secure hospital is the best place for him?

Prison would be the answer if sentencing was correct.

But judges and the judicial system fuck it up left, right and centre.

This judge is yet another one, makes his comments then hands out a joke of a sentence.
Shame she didn't kill him.

A custodial term will allow for mental health intervention, get him back on meds, detox and drug rehabilitation and written around domestic abuse, on release he will be subject to MAPPA, exclusion areas, no contact conditions and to disclose of any new or emerging intimate relationships. If he has a perpetrator programme on licence any new partner would have access to a partner link worker who would ensure she was aware of his risks and offer support services. He can also be referred to criminal justice mental health services in the community who would notify probation should he disengage or they felt his mental health was deteriorating/he was off medication/risk was increasing. Will it entirely change who he is and what he did, no. Does it mean he could be safely managed in the community, yes potentially, and if he breaches his licence conditions he'd be subject to recall.

Forgot drug testing could also be added to his licence conditions.

We don't know if he does have a diagnosis of psychosis from the article. As a mental health nurse I can categorically say that antipsychotic drugs are also prescribed for people with personality disorders (rightly or wrongly). The number of crimes committed when someone is floridly psychotic is actually tiny and very rare. I would have thought he would have had psychiatric reports done pre trial which as not mentioned imply he had capacity.

I agree with Dotty. He would be in a secure unit if he was actively psychotic and lacked capacity.

Prison for the rest of his life.

He is a waste of space.

Prison is exactly the right place for this type of offender.

There was a program on TV a couple of years ago about a cross section of domestic abusers who were receiving rehabilitation programs. It explored the possibility for these men to change.

It was a pretty depressing watch as the outcome was that no, they can't change.

But I'm not sure what the answer is as we can't afford to keep every one of them in prison for the rest of their lives.

I think a register for domestic abusers could be somewhat of a solution. Like they have for sex offenders. But Johnson and his crew wouldn't allow it as half of them would probably be on the bloody thing

Something I wish we would do as a society is to look ahead twenty years and try to cut future offending, to make a better country for me as an older person and for my children. We could really change things if we wanted to.

We also need to think about the intersection between mental health and criminality.

The most horrific crimes don't tell us very much really as they are rarer.

But our whole justice system is failing, having been systematically cut by the Tories, we have fewer police, slower courts, dangerous prisons and little probation. So we are all more at risk than ten years ago.

He should have exactly the same things done to him as he did to his victim. And that goes for all abusers. See how they like a taste of their own behaviour.

I have huge cognitive dissonance about prison. On the one hand I support massively longer sentences for violent offenders because that part of my brain says "just keep them off the streets". At the same time, I have huge doubts that the prison system makes anyone a better person coming out than going in so the longer you're in, the worse you'll come out.

With domestic violence I think the thing that would be the game changer would be universal condemnation from men about violence against women. But maybe part of that is longer sentences which send the message that this is a big deal.

I think that we should look at non custodial sentences for property and other non violent crimes. Custody should be reserved for violent/sexual crimes, and be life long for such crimes when committed against women and children.