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AIBU?

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To ask DD to stay away from her new friend?

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TheStickyTapeFix · 18/05/2021 18:30

DD is 6, year 2 (she’ll be 7 in July).

After Easter a new girl started in DDs class. She is the next door neighbour of the girl DD sat next to, I’ll call the new girl A and the other girl B. A had previously been at a different local school but transferred to ours.

B has never liked DD ever. DD has some additional needs and has 1-1 for part of the day due to this. There are no behaviour issues bar the odd talking while the teacher does which I know B plus other girls in the class also do (basically trying to say it’s normal behaviour) and the 1-1 would help B if DD was on task and not in need of help but B just never liked DD, it was fine DD was friends with two others in the class who she’d play with – I’ve added this as I think it’s relevant.

When A started B moved places to sit next to A and was basically her buddy. This worked as DD was starting to struggle with particular parts of school so her TA sat next to her at the table rather than to the side of her. TA has switched focus onto just DD now, and DD still sits alone but has a table with two other children on it (these aren’t her friends but she talks to them if needed).

A’s mum invited all the children in the class over in small groups for garden parties to get to know them, DD was invited with the two girls she usually plays with at playtimes. The 4 girls hit it off really well and have basically been inseparable ever since. A and DD in particular are close. I know friendships at this age are very fluid so I still encourage DD to play with others in the class but she always seems to gravitate back to A and the other 2. They play together most playtimes and lunchtimes.

A and B are still friends outside of school due to living next door to each other but don’t talk in school much.

B is clearly not happy about this and has started targeting DD, it’s just low level stuff at the moment like moving her work or ripping it so DD has to do it again, walking over the area of the playground the girls are playing in, they made a “nest” out of cut grass and B stamped on it and then threw it shouting she didn’t care about it. She cries for A and tries to get A to play with her and her group of friends but A always says she wants to stay with DD.

Teacher says she’s talked to Bs mum and I know this to be true as B’s mum has sent me messages privately via whatsapp (at least she kept it off the class chat) asking me to keep DD away from A because A is Bs friend. I ignored the messages and Bs mum shouted at me in front of the headteacher last week claiming that my DD is awful, badly behaved and a bully and I need to keep her out of the school if she can’t leave other peoples friends alone. She was quite verbal and threatening and I thought she’d hit me at one point.

If it’s relevant DD has a communication disorder, joint condition and is suspected to have Dyslexia and/or Dyspraxia. She’s well managed in school and school have said she’s behind but not due to lack of ability, she tires quickly and also gets “brain fog” so struggles to tell you or write down what she’s been told. She can remember verbal facts but just can’t always put them in the correct order/with the correct item/object/animal etc. She is also physically much smaller than the other children. We’re currently going through the EHCP process for a diagnosis for DD and to fund the TA full time.

For even more context I left DDs dad in 2017 due to his violence and I get very worried when someones threatening me.

I have since had a call from the headteacher who has assured me DD is welcome in school, is well liked by staff and pupils (including both the cook and the caretaker apparently), is happy and the teacher feels she’s making expected progress for her (not based on what the government expects). I’ve also been assured that it is completely A’s choice who she plays with a playtimes and they’ve asked her several times since she started who she wants to play with an most of the time DDs name is mentioned. I’ve done the same with DD and she always says she likes playing with A and the other 2 girls. But I am still terrified that it’s going to escalate further and DDs going to end up hurt.

So AIBU to ask DD not to play with A to avoid her being hurt? I know they have a lovely friendship but I am so scared for DD. I was terribly bullied all through school and I think this is clouding me.

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Hankunamatata · 18/05/2021 18:35

Where is the TA on all this. Surely she should be aware that your dd work is being ripped or spoiled? The school should be managing B - was the reason she moved school due to her behaviour? Does she have additional needs?

Middle123 · 18/05/2021 18:36

I do understand your fears but I have to say YABU to ask your daughter to no longer play with a friend because of another child.

Just keep in contact with the school, express your concerns, make sure they’re keeping an eye on things as well & if the child’s mother threatens you again speak to the police.

TheStickyTapeFix · 18/05/2021 18:37

@Hankunamatata

Where is the TA on all this. Surely she should be aware that your dd work is being ripped or spoiled? The school should be managing B - was the reason she moved school due to her behaviour? Does she have additional needs?
I don't know the reason A moved schools, I've not asked.

B doesn't have Additional Needs as far as I know.

The TA isn't with DD all day due to funding, which is why we're going through the EHCP process. The work is getting spoiled in the times the TA is not with DD.

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ImitationofBeing · 18/05/2021 18:43

B will bully your DD regardless of the friendship, sounds like will never get on.
And sounds like A has seen a side of B now that she doesn't like and making her own friendship choices.
Does B kick off at the others in this friendship group or just targeting your child?

So let your DD be in the group of friends including A.

Talk to the staff. What did the HT do when B's had a go at you. In our primaries that's a not allowed on the premises again unless a attending a meeting.
Ripping up work is not low key. When these things happen email the school. It then be logged so if B's mother twists stuff or it progresses you have an historic record that can be pulled up.

TheStickyTapeFix · 18/05/2021 18:45

@ImitationofBeing

B will bully your DD regardless of the friendship, sounds like will never get on. And sounds like A has seen a side of B now that she doesn't like and making her own friendship choices. Does B kick off at the others in this friendship group or just targeting your child?

So let your DD be in the group of friends including A.

Talk to the staff. What did the HT do when B's had a go at you. In our primaries that's a not allowed on the premises again unless a attending a meeting.
Ripping up work is not low key. When these things happen email the school. It then be logged so if B's mother twists stuff or it progresses you have an historic record that can be pulled up.

Headteacher got between us and asked B;s mum to leave, I've not seen her at school since so not sure if she's been asked not to go or something.

School let me know when there's been incidences they call me, DD can't always tell me due to her additional needs.

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Iknowtheanswer · 18/05/2021 18:46

Just let you DD choose her friends, let her continue playing with A, and let school deal with any issues during school time.

If the mother threatens you again, block her, and let school know.

ImitationofBeing · 18/05/2021 18:46

Ask the staff to log it on their system. It really is a good way to get info recorded as they can pull reports off if needed with recorded dated incidents.

gottakeeponmovin · 18/05/2021 18:47

There are always two sides to every story like this. You have one side - in which you then take the side of your daughter which is natural but I am pretty sure it is not as cut and dry as you think. Kids make their own friends. Parents often try to intervene but in the end they make their own decisions. You need to leave alll of them too it and they will find their way. Additionally I don't think your DDs special needs have any relevance - girls are always like this the whole at through school. By middle school with DD1 I had just got used to it

TheYearOfSmallThings · 18/05/2021 18:49

Continue to speak to the school about this, and make sure they are aware of B's DM's behaviour. The school needs to be managing B's behaviour during school time, and making clear to her that A can choose who to play with.

Excilente · 18/05/2021 18:49

As a mum of a couple of DC's with varying special needs.. you absolutely make sure your kids hang on to their friends.

The only one she needs to keep away from is B.

Mydogmylife · 18/05/2021 18:50

I would be worried that if you cave in this time and encourage your dd to make another friend (C) , the pattern will just repeat itself with B demanding that she leave the new friend (C) alone , ad infinitum . I am pretty horrified at B's mothers behaviour actually and wonder what the head teacher made of it.

Excilente · 18/05/2021 18:51

A has a right to play with whoever she likes, and B needs to learn that bullying doesn't get you what you want... she has NO right to tell A who to play with, non whatsoever.

CoraPirbright · 18/05/2021 18:59

God no! Don’t tell your dd to avoid her friend!! Sounds like the school have got the measure of the manipulative little madam and her vile, aggressive, bullying mother! They sound like a lovely little foursome and absolutely should not be made to bow to these awful demands!

Serenschintte · 18/05/2021 18:59

Children with additional needs are more at risk of being bullied.
If DD and A get on they should be allowed to develop a friendship.
Have you requested a copy of the Schools bullying policy?
Maybe you would benefit from doing an assertiveness course? To help you with confronting situations.
I hope the school support all the girls. At this young age it shouldn’t be too difficult to sort this situation out and school should be working towards this.

BigHeadBertha · 18/05/2021 19:05

I'd leave it alone for now and just keep watching, as you are doing.

It gets messy but didn't we all start learning how to navigate sticky social situations by having to manage them as they arose in childhood. And if I understood correctly, your daughter seems to be doing just fine, she has a group of friends.

B won't learn those skills if her crazy mother keeps getting overly involved and chasing down other mothers over it (LOL!) Sorry but the original post cracked me up. B's mother... oh dear.

cansu · 18/05/2021 19:12

Do not stop your dd from playing with A. Let school deal with B and her mum. Don't respond to any of her messages. If she approaches you, tell her to speak to the school. Make school aware of any incidents of B bullying your dd.

Wellpark · 18/05/2021 19:14

That other mum is bonkers! What does A's mum make of this? be horrified if some loony woman wanted to dictate who my child could play with!

TheStickyTapeFix · 18/05/2021 19:17

@Wellpark

That other mum is bonkers! What does A's mum make of this? be horrified if some loony woman wanted to dictate who my child could play with!
I've not spoken to A's mum, I have her mobile number though but don't want to ask her in case it gets B's mums back up.
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toocold54 · 18/05/2021 19:20

This all seems way to intense. No parents should be getting involved at all at this stage. Both you and the other girls mum believe both your own children are victims but it’s more than likely they are both as bad as each other.
Let them sort it out between themselves.

Mydogmylife · 18/05/2021 19:20

Op, you can speak to who you want!!!! Goodness don't let the B family dictate your movements like this !

mineofuselessinformation · 18/05/2021 19:25

I'd actually make a point of inviting A for play dates, not to force anything, but to encourage the friendship. Just be careful not to over-do it though.
B's mum should just be gracefully ignored if at all possible, but if there are further problems, let the school know - it sounds like they are being supportive of your DD.

VillanellesOrangeCoat · 18/05/2021 19:27

Sounds like school have the measure of B & her frankly batshit mother, and are supportive of your DD.
Leave your DD with A & the other two girls - sounds like they’ve got a lovely friendship group, and you can be reassured that school are handling things.

Jellybabiesforbreakfast · 18/05/2021 19:31

YABU to think of ending a friendship which gives your DD a lot of enjoyment and support due to an unkind, jealous little brat and her overinvolved mum.

If B is allowed to rule the roost and make those around her miserable at age 6, imagine how insufferable she'll be at age 10/11. Real queen bee territory. If your child is going to continue in the same school as B for her whole primary education, you need to get this sorted now or she will be a target for much more malicious bullying as they get older. And undermining supportive relationships with other children is much more likely to make your DD a target.

miltonj · 18/05/2021 19:33

I mean this nicely but I think your experience of bullying is colouring your judgement and you need to take a step back. You seem over invested in her friendships. I would just encourage her to play with who she wants to, be kind to everyone including B, and to teach her how to stand up for herself and tell teachers if anything is bothering her.

Tambora · 18/05/2021 19:41

B sounds as though she hasn't fallen all that far from the tree, if her mother's behaviour is anything to go by.

Make a formal complaint every single time anything happens with B targeting your dd. Every time.

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