This is shocking...

[Rosiesmydog]

terfisaslur.com/centering-trans-people-in-all-discussions/

Just came across this on Twitter. I’m truly shocked at the (male) violence against women, being dressed up as some sort of inclusiveness crusade. I mean...what the actual fuck??

@mangoontoast sorry, what 'hatred of trans people' have you seen? Because protecting sex based rights and not sharing a belief of gender isn't 'hate'. If there's actual hate-speech occurring, I hope you're reporting it

@KFleming

One of those says “If your feminist activism doesn’t centre trans women right now, no matter the other intersections, you’re failing”

Sooo, a feminist fighting for, I don’t know, safe and legal abortion is failing. Regardless of her actual views on trans women, she is automatically “failing” because her specific feminist activism doesn’t centre trans women. Despite the fact trans women will never require an abortion and therefore have no need to be “centred”.

Are there times that individuals/activism should prioritise trans people/rights, of course. Is it an automatic across the board blanket failure if they don’t all the time - of course it fucking isn’t and that’s a ridiculous position to hold.

And I would hazard a guess that it is not the view of most trans women.

I campaign for trans women to be able to access safe abortions at any point during their pregnancy with no questions asked. - Done. They have that right.

Now can I campaign for the same for women? (The ones who were born female)

Hatred of trans people is the main topic on the feminism boards and you know it. Even if another topic is started, it soon moves onto the terf retoric you all so love. You've completed taken over the feminism boards with your "FWR" "GC" stuff and now you're bringing it to AIBU

No its not

I don’t have terf retoric

I’ve not taken over the board with anything

And ive not brought it to aibu either

FWR is for women’s rights, just because you don’t believe that doesn’t mean that its a trans board

[quote BrumBoo]@mangoontoast sorry, what 'hatred of trans people' have you seen? Because protecting sex based rights and not sharing a belief of gender isn't 'hate'. If there's actual hate-speech occurring, I hope you're reporting it[/quote]
And absolutely any hate speech should be reported

In exactly the same way homophobia and racism etc are

You've completed taken over the feminism boards with your "FWR" "GC" stuff

The feminism boards are full of feminism, you say? How shocking.

Genderists can and do contribute to FWR. Let them come and offer up their ideas for debate. If they're robust ideas, genderists have got nothing to worry about.

Using the words terf retoric on a thread about the website terf is a slur

@KFleming

One of those says “If your feminist activism doesn’t centre trans women right now, no matter the other intersections, you’re failing”

Sooo, a feminist fighting for, I don’t know, safe and legal abortion is failing. Regardless of her actual views on trans women, she is automatically “failing” because her specific feminist activism doesn’t centre trans women. Despite the fact trans women will never require an abortion and therefore have no need to be “centred”.

Are there times that individuals/activism should prioritise trans people/rights, of course. Is it an automatic across the board blanket failure if they don’t all the time - of course it fucking isn’t and that’s a ridiculous position to hold.

And I would hazard a guess that it is not the view of most trans women.

Crikey. I knew some of them thought that because of the way activists against FGM have been harassed for not centring trans women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4170253-Anti-FGM-campaigner-Hibo-Wardere-comes-under-attack?pg=1

But, I'm not sure I'd ever seen one admit it before.

Oh, are women being told where to post and not post again?

FWIW the word 'T*rf' is used to intimidate and manipulate people all over the place. The argument that it's a neutral descriptor is clearly nonsense, as soon as anyone scratches the surface of how it is used they will see very clearly the misogyny that fuels it.

@Cocolapew

Using the words terf retoric on a thread about the website terf is a slur

Well, it kind of makes for an object lesson in real time.

I wonder if those telling woken they should get back over to FWR are happy to give up their rights to vote, work, own property, have a credit card? Becuase those rights didnt happen because women shut up, did as they are told and bugger off somewhere and centred men and males.

So anyone?

Or are you quite happy to reap the benefits of what wonen fought for whilst pretending you hate those who speak up as much as the males who threaten and abuse us do?

You've completed taken over the feminism boards with your "FWR"
Um, you know what the acronym FWR is, right?

Don't be ridiculous.

@ArabellaScott

Oh, are women being told where to post and not post again?

FWIW the word 'T*rf' is used to intimidate and manipulate people all over the place. The argument that it's a neutral descriptor is clearly nonsense, as soon as anyone scratches the surface of how it is used they will see very clearly the misogyny that fuels it.

Is there an equivalent word to refer to these radical men?

I genuinely don't think a single trans person would lobby for this- and if they did it's because they've missed the point of feminism- and therefore aren't welcome in the discussions anyway.

How ridiculous of non-trans people to speak for them though, why not just invite and welcome them to feminism discussions instead of talking for them like children!

It seems that some males do not like it when women say 'no'. No matter how that male identifies, for some people, male socialisation often becomes apparent when hearing 'no' and seeing women as 'gatekeepers' for what they 'desire.'

I should add- I'm only a TRA when it doesn't invalidate women and our experiences. No one should be forced to be a TRA, or involve non feminist trans people in our work as proper feminists. There's absolutely no need for all feminist discussions to even include trans women, let alone put them front and centre.

It's shocking seeing it all in black and white, the hatred they have for women is unbelievable.
Not so shocking women don't want to share their single sex spaces with people like this is it?

@TheGumption

I'm so bored of these people. Can we not just stop giving them attention?

I'd love to. Unfortunately, governments, councils, businesses, charities and any other institutions you can think of continue to not just pay them attention but also change things to suit the very vocal Social Justice Warriors. So I think I'd better keep tabs on it all too.

Is there an equivalent word to refer to these radical men?

The ones making threats? No.

There isn't a name for the kind of man who is physically hostile to trans people, either.

Apparently they're a big enough problem that transwomen have been driven out of male spaces and must use female spaces for their own safety, but simultaneously not significant enough in numbers/magnitude to need a word.