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To think hygiene standards are low in Britain?

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castemary · 10/05/2021 10:46

This obviously does not apply to everyone. But in Britain, I think there is a general acceptance of fairly low hygiene standards. I see it in several areas.
With individuals you have people telling everyone they do not wash bras for months, do not clean their teeth every day, do not wash face masks every day.
In public areas, offices and shops the cleaning often consist of no more than a quick hoover occasionally, a mop and a bit of damp wiping. Apart from toilets, places are rarely properly cleaned.
I think most people simply do not realise how unhygienic Britain is until they go to countries that do have a good standard of hygiene. There seems to be a lot of emphasis in Britain on superficial things that make places look good such as scatter cushions or make-up, and not on basic hygiene and cleanliness.
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vodkaredbullgirl · 10/05/2021 22:46

Bum gun is a hose pipe with shower head, in other words have a shower every time you use the bog Grin

united4ever · 10/05/2021 22:52

In our climate we don't have to worry as much about pests. I know mice and rats are around more than we think but you are unlucky to get them if you are just moderately clean.

In tropical countries if you leave food out overnight cockroaches are likely to appear and crawl in through air conditioning units. We don't have to contend with that so can be more complacent.

BuggerBognor · 10/05/2021 22:54

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teenagewhore · 10/05/2021 22:57

I've lived elsewhere in Europe and America and spent months in parts of Asia. I'd say UK is high to middling on hygiene. As a country we're pretty good- high food hygiene standards and quality, high public hygiene levels (regular refuge collection and provided containers, public bins, public loos, road sweepers), our tap water quality is great. Infection rates in our hospitals are low.

If you compare us to certain areas (pockets of Africa or Asia, certain bits of South America) we're bonkers clean - wasting water washing 'clean' clothes and 'clean' bodies.

We've also got increasingly high standards of personal hygiene as a country and people are very funny about people who have different standards - but it's cultural.

So I think you're being unreasonable.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 10/05/2021 22:59

@BeneathYourWisdom

I still can’t believe it’s not yet the norm here to have a hose installed next to the loo, and wash yourself with warm running water instead of dry paper! Dry toilet paper, why? If you don’t have a hose or jug you could at least use wet wipes or that foamy gel stuff on the paper. I’ve lived abroad and going back to English bathrooms can be a shock.

Even the layout is often unhygienic eg toothbrushes stored next to the loo so every time it’s flushed they get splashed with loo germs. The fastest way to spread norovirus and other bugs! Mouldy carpet edges and poor ventilation so everything stays damp.

I think carpet in bathrooms is very unhygienic. Wet rooms are much better, you just disinfect the floor and hose it down. In many countries kitchen floors have drains too, so when you’ve finished cooking you spray it then hose it down and all the dirty water goes down a drain. Saves using a grubby mop and you know it’s always clean, no splashes of oil or sauce or juice left for weeks to gather bacteria and fluff.

I’m shocked people don’t always clean their kitchen and bathroom sinks daily, clean their loo after each use and generally keep on top of basic hygiene like wiping down surfaces with Dettol before and after food prep.

I think it’s important to shower before going to work if you’ll be in close proximity to others, use anti perspirant and wear freshly washed clothes. With close family it’s still good hygiene to wash hands regularly, clean and floss teeth twice a day and wash feet, armpits, genital area, face every morning even if not taking a shower. Plus clean underwear.

Obviously if someone has disabilities or these self care tasks use up a lot of energy it’s a different matter. But a lot of people without disabilities don’t seem to care/notice if they’re wearing the same clothes to work day after day or have greasy hair and dandruff or smell of stale sweat.

I also think it’s really grim to wear outdoor shoes indoors (unheard of in much of the world, and the height of rudeness in many countries). Carpet or rugs or wooden floors, why bring pavement dirt and bacteria into your home?

I’m also not keen on pets indoors unless they have a specific room, their own bed in that room and this room is thoroughly cleaned and vacuumed daily to prevent pet smell and shedded hair building up. Let alone pets in kitchens.

I also think many people don’t understand bacteria and viruses and how they spread, eg damp towels and damp bath robes are a breeding ground for microbes, and bacteria can quickly multiply on uncovered food left out of the fridge.

Same with dust and limescale, if you keep on top of it there’s no build up. And washing machines, why don’t people clean the filter and run the machine on a hot cycle every month at least?

Jesus, life’s too short to worry about all that!

BTW are you saying I shouldn’t have a cat as he doesn’t have his own bedroom? I’m worried he’s deprived as he has to sleep in the living room!

Onlinedilema · 10/05/2021 23:00

I don't think the UK is dirtier than most countries at all. The people I know all wear clean clothes, wash thenselves, brush their teeth, clean their homes.
I have been in several countries where I have refused point blank to use the toilet, it's been disgusting.
I also have witnessed food standards which would get you closed down in he UK. Cooked food kept outside for hours for example.
As for health and safety standards, well done countries don't seem to have any.
I suppose it comes down to who you know and where you go.

vodkaredbullgirl · 10/05/2021 23:02

Well l'm off to bed and the dogs are coming with me Smile

freckles20 · 10/05/2021 23:02

My standards feel pretty low compared to the mumsnet majority. I wear clean pants and socks daily, but other items are washed as needed.

I shower once a day, wash hair every 2 or 3 days. Clean towels fortnightly, sheets weekly.

I don't use bleach or chemical cleaners.

We have a dog and a cat.

I work outdoors walking dogs every day.

I cannot remember the last time anyone in our home had a poorly tummy, a cold or any virus other than DH having Covid at Christmas (rest of us didn't get it). My skin is pretty clear and we are lucky enough not to have any allergies.

I can't see any reason to change?

BraveBraveMouse · 10/05/2021 23:05

I think the acceptance of dogs in this country is gross compared to eastern countries. I find the rise of 'dog friendly' holiday accommodation especially minging.

BraveBraveMouse · 10/05/2021 23:06

And don't get me started on shoes indoors. Considered gross in many countries.

freckles20 · 10/05/2021 23:07

@BeneathYourWisdom

I still can’t believe it’s not yet the norm here to have a hose installed next to the loo, and wash yourself with warm running water instead of dry paper! Dry toilet paper, why? If you don’t have a hose or jug you could at least use wet wipes or that foamy gel stuff on the paper. I’ve lived abroad and going back to English bathrooms can be a shock.

Even the layout is often unhygienic eg toothbrushes stored next to the loo so every time it’s flushed they get splashed with loo germs. The fastest way to spread norovirus and other bugs! Mouldy carpet edges and poor ventilation so everything stays damp.

I think carpet in bathrooms is very unhygienic. Wet rooms are much better, you just disinfect the floor and hose it down. In many countries kitchen floors have drains too, so when you’ve finished cooking you spray it then hose it down and all the dirty water goes down a drain. Saves using a grubby mop and you know it’s always clean, no splashes of oil or sauce or juice left for weeks to gather bacteria and fluff.

I’m shocked people don’t always clean their kitchen and bathroom sinks daily, clean their loo after each use and generally keep on top of basic hygiene like wiping down surfaces with Dettol before and after food prep.

I think it’s important to shower before going to work if you’ll be in close proximity to others, use anti perspirant and wear freshly washed clothes. With close family it’s still good hygiene to wash hands regularly, clean and floss teeth twice a day and wash feet, armpits, genital area, face every morning even if not taking a shower. Plus clean underwear.

Obviously if someone has disabilities or these self care tasks use up a lot of energy it’s a different matter. But a lot of people without disabilities don’t seem to care/notice if they’re wearing the same clothes to work day after day or have greasy hair and dandruff or smell of stale sweat.

I also think it’s really grim to wear outdoor shoes indoors (unheard of in much of the world, and the height of rudeness in many countries). Carpet or rugs or wooden floors, why bring pavement dirt and bacteria into your home?

I’m also not keen on pets indoors unless they have a specific room, their own bed in that room and this room is thoroughly cleaned and vacuumed daily to prevent pet smell and shedded hair building up. Let alone pets in kitchens.

I also think many people don’t understand bacteria and viruses and how they spread, eg damp towels and damp bath robes are a breeding ground for microbes, and bacteria can quickly multiply on uncovered food left out of the fridge.

Same with dust and limescale, if you keep on top of it there’s no build up. And washing machines, why don’t people clean the filter and run the machine on a hot cycle every month at least?

Each to their own I guess. I just don't see much of this as necessary in the UK's climate. Life feels way way too short!
XenoBitch · 10/05/2021 23:08

@vodkaredbullgirl

Well l'm off to bed and the dogs are coming with me Smile
Enjoy! I have a greyhound and she is pretty much part of my bedding.
BuggerBognor · 10/05/2021 23:09

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vodkaredbullgirl · 10/05/2021 23:11

Xeno I've got 2 labs and they take most the bed up lol

QueenPaw · 10/05/2021 23:14

You can get a travel bidet bottle like this if you don't want a fitted one
I'm quite relaxed about most things but some men.. all I can say is don't go for a wee, not wash them expect oral 🤢 grim

To think hygiene standards are low in Britain?
Hangingover · 10/05/2021 23:16

I've never been to the USA but they strike me as being a bit OTT about food hygiene compared to us. I'm on a big street food group on FB and it's full of videos of incredible cooks from around the world throwing pancakes in the air while performing somersaults etc. and the comments section is full of North American's throwing vomit emojis because the guy in a developing country on a stall by a dirt road isn't wearing gloves and a hairnet. Likewise I was watching a Korean recipe where a woman was demoing a recipe in her own home and tucked her hair behind her ear and merry hell broke out in the comments Confused

XenoBitch · 10/05/2021 23:17

@BuggerBognor

Yes *@BraveBraveMouse* - dogs smell and while I “like” them I don’t really want to pay £££ to stay somewhere that smells of them. We bought our house from a family with 2 dogs - they were very clean but the lingering odour we still had to rip out all the (nearly new) soft furnishings and deep clean before we could move in.
If you knowingly bought a house from someone with dogs, you can't really complain.
BuggerBognor · 10/05/2021 23:19

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freckles20 · 10/05/2021 23:20

@vodkaredbullgirl

Well l'm off to bed and the dogs are coming with me Smile
Enjoy. My dog sleeps downstairs but the cat sleeps wherever. He's currently curled up on my chest, warm and soft and purring gently as I stroke him. He's the best stress reliever one could wish for.
castemary · 10/05/2021 23:21

In Iceland everyone has to take their shoes off in the entrance to the swimming pool. It means the floor in the changing rooms is much cleaner.

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XenoBitch · 10/05/2021 23:24

@castemary

In Iceland everyone has to take their shoes off in the entrance to the swimming pool. It means the floor in the changing rooms is much cleaner.
That makes sense.. is a communal thing. But the bitching about not washing a bra for 2 weeks? Or hair? Not really communal, is it.
NoSquirrels · 10/05/2021 23:27

@castemary

In Iceland everyone has to take their shoes off in the entrance to the swimming pool. It means the floor in the changing rooms is much cleaner.
Does this not happen at your local pool?

Ours has shoe racks outside the changing rooms. Pretty standard in UK, I’d say.

TableFlowerss · 10/05/2021 23:30

@BraveBraveMouse

I think the acceptance of dogs in this country is gross compared to eastern countries. I find the rise of 'dog friendly' holiday accommodation especially minging.
I queues agree. Makes me laugh at the of those on here scoffing about how clean and hygienic they are, I hope they aren’t the same one that let their dogs lick ‘kiss’ they’d faces, lick them in general, share a bed and sofa with them.

Even worse if they win cats, god knows what cats get up to when they’re roaming about.... licking their own arses and the like.... bowk

TableFlowerss · 10/05/2021 23:30

Quite agree I mean 😂

vodkaredbullgirl · 10/05/2021 23:32

Not gone to bed yet but both dogs are on the leather sofa with blankets on the sofa's.