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AIBU or is my husband being abusive and should I leave our marriage ?

51 replies

Looley · 07/05/2021 17:20

Dear Mumsnetters , I really need an outside perspective on this. My DH has quite a temper and can be quite cold and vicious in a fight. We were getting on fine and then one night he pulled lots of feathers out of a cushion and just dropped them on the floor. As I do the hoovering I was a bit peeved about this (he is generally untidy and leaves wrappers right by the bin, leaving them for me to dispose of - but I suck this up because there are bigger things in life) and I commented on it - I just got frustrated with it. He went ballistic , shouting ‘oh for god’s sake !’ stormed off downstairs , leaving one of my young sons asking what the matter was , because he had heard shouting . The next morning he was acting like there was nothing wrong, and I calmly and with no ‘tone’ in my voice said that he had been quite rude to me last night and that doing the picking up after 2 DC’s was tiring enough - but after a grown man was a bit much! I was a SAHM for 2 years after the birth of my second DC but have gone back to work and still do most of the chores , DH WFH 100% .
Anyway - an even bigger row erupted , he stormed off , shouted upset the baby and treated me like I was unreasonable because I told him he was messy and it was getting me down.

The following day (of the silent treatment) he ran up the stairs to grab DC (2) having shown no interest in him all day (because he was working). DC had started to cry - I was on my way over to him, but DH wanted to beat me to it ....DH got there first (taking stairs two at a time) and when I went to hold him he wouldn’t allow it (‘ well you weren’t dealing with it , were you’) I persisted in wanting to have DC back and he held on with a vice like grip, and physically pushed me along the corridor I nearly fell down the stairs . We could have all 3 of us gone down the stairs so I had to desist in my attempts . He stormed downstairs with DC and sat on the sofa still wouldn’t let him go. A lot of shouting and him telling me to ‘go away’ ensued. No I couldn’t have DC because he had just as much right. I was beside myself at this stage , we were shouting and screaming at each other , DC was upset - I was crying to let him give me DC and as I was trying to reach for him he started kicking at me and pushing me away with his feet . I was standing leaning over to DC and he was sitting on the sofa. The mean and vivicious look on his face was shocking too. He then went to his outside office and was going to lock me out I had to push my way in and threaten the police . In the meantime my other poor DC was trying to call the police he was scared for my well-being. It’s not the first time DH has got physical with me. I moved out to a hotel for a few days when I tried to go into a bedroom to take myself away from a row and he followed me in shouting hitting me with pillows and shoving me against the bedroom wall. I wasn’t injured, but I was shocked. I think he just wanted a reaction from me and I just wanted to distance myself away from the shouting. This was in DC’s room with DC on the top bunk and me on the bottom - plus the SC in a next door room. I reminded DH of this but he was unable to stop himself . He has a nasty temper and a short fuse . He can be loving and romantic too, and generous but when he gets physical I feel he cannot love me and try to kick me - it’s just not behaviour I’ve been ever exposed to in any previous relationship and I don’t want my DC to see their dad treat their mum like this or learn that this is acceptable behaviour. SS has punched a hole in a door (old enough to know better) and DH thinks this is normal teenage behaviour . DH family is a bit like this - into screaming and shouting and then it’s all meant to be fine the next day .
I’m worried this behaviour will only get worse . Should I leave ? I’m not sure I still love him because I feel he can’t respect me to behave this way. I’m not proud that I wasn’t calmer - but taking my DC pushed all my emotional buttons. Please help me to see it for what it is ...

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/05/2021 19:00

It’s horrific even to read. You need to leave him as soon as possible.

toocold54 · 07/05/2021 19:03

In the meantime my other poor DC was trying to call the police he was scared for my well-being.

Remember this when you are packing your bags tonight.

Sort the legal stuff out a different time right now it’s important for your children that you leave asap.
You are both not being good parents in this situation and your children will suffer the most because of it.

Babygotblueyes · 07/05/2021 19:04

LEAVE NOW! The kind and loving times are called the hearts and flowers phase. It is what abusers do to keep you hooked in. If the behaviour persists and you dont do anything to get away you run the risk of losing your kids with social services get involved if they find out what he has been doing.

AnatomyJane · 07/05/2021 19:06

Of course you can legally take the kids and go. Get important documents together, all necessities and leave when he’s out of the house. Call women’s aid.

Tobebythesea · 07/05/2021 19:09

@cookiemon666

Get all important paperwork. And take your kids and leave. He will not change
This. Get out now.
Looley · 07/05/2021 19:17

Thank you to those who have told me about citizens advice and women’s aid .i really appreciate it .

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FantasticButtocks · 07/05/2021 19:20

It's a shame your poor dc didn't actually get through to the police. Sad

Because maybe that would have moved this in the right direction.

Looley · 07/05/2021 19:27

Very difficult to get him out of the house, since he constantly works from home !

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FitYeDaeinYeMadRadge · 07/05/2021 19:33

I live with someone with anger issues. Please listen to me and other posters who say it’s time to leave. Thankfully I don’t have children, but for your and their sake, go. You have so much more to live for than this.

Looley · 07/05/2021 19:34

Yes you’re right about that I’ve thought that too FantasticButtocks.
I have decided to leave. I feel sick about it , my world and that of my DC’s seems to have been turned upside down out of the blue and in a flash . I know there will be a next time . I’ve tried to talk to DH about this and that it can’t happen again but it does. I’d use the word toxic , too. But inbetween it can be fine. Good even ( whilst his buttons aren’t pushed!) I have a great job , eldest in a good school . I was happy , tried with the SC. Loved the support and teamwork of marriage and it has all been wiped away I’m still in shock . DH was a high earner, driven. Outwardly charming , good looking . Nobody would believe this of him ...

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andivfmakes3 · 07/05/2021 19:35

Of course his behaviour is completely unacceptable and abusive

Genuine question though? Why did you persist with following him and trying to get into the outside office though? I'm Not victim blaming in the slightest but if he has a vicious temper and the situation is already antagonised why follow him up the stairs, why keep leaning over him on the sofa, why push yourself into the office?

KarmaStar · 07/05/2021 19:47

You need to get some advice from a solicitor and get finances in order.Get ready to get him out.
In the meantime you must control yourself in this type of situation,crying and screaming and trying to drag a small child from him is doing the child no favours.
It is possible that if you had backed off he would have released the child but because you were reacting he held on.I know it's hard but you have to try and remain calm,if you are fearful for your safety call the police.
Wishing you all the best in the future.

Looley · 07/05/2021 19:51

Because I was worried about where he was going with DC - he was trying to shut himself away with him and my maternal protective instincts kicked in and I just was frantic not wanting to be separated from him. I just love my little boy so much and wanted to be able to put my arms round him and see what DH was going to do - I was worried he was on the verge of getting in the car and driving off with him
I should have been able to stop myself and let DH calm down but I just couldn’t because he’d got DC and seemed to just be using him to get back at me he was trying to antagonise me because I had criticised him re the feathers and being messy . Not because he really wanted DC.

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mooonstone · 07/05/2021 19:55

How are you questioning if his behaviour is normal or not, when your own child was frightened enough to try to call the police to protect tou

Looley · 07/05/2021 19:57

But you are right KarmaStar. I was just too upset - already upset I suppose about the silent war over mess and his bounding up the stairs to beat me over to DC I don’t think it was genuinely motivated by concern. I do think he loves DC - possibly not as much as much as I do but he just can’t control his temper or behaviour in front of them it was the same with SS and SD when they came round . His ex wife just left with the kids one day whilst he was out . I thought this was a terrible thing to do to someone but maybe now I can see why . He’s being reasonable now but if I tell him I’m going I think he’ll turn nasty , leave no stone unturned with solicitors etc. I need to get my ducks in a row first I think .

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cheeseislife8 · 07/05/2021 20:03

I'm glad you've decided to leave. Your children should not be exposed to this.

Looley · 07/05/2021 20:06

Moonstone yes. That worries me . DS isn’t afraid of him though , DH has never been physical to him. It’s just things are so good until something like this comes right out of the blue . I wonder if something else motivates his anger but he won’t say whar . He is very strict and severE at times, never good at hugs or showing sympathy to my DS. Thankfully DS is very self assured. Overall DS likes life here. He wouldn’t cry If he didn’t see DH again but he is worried he will see less of his little brother whom he absolutely adores. Sorry rambling on !

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MizzyFizz · 07/05/2021 20:20

Thing is, he does not have a "temper". Can't you see he is planning his actions for effect. That's not temper or anger, that's pure nastiness.

He is creating your reaction, in full knowledge of what he is doing, so he can claim an excuse to be emotionally or physically abusive to you.

I would be very careful, it sounds like he's trying to engineer a scenario where he gets to beat the living shit out of you and blame you for "provoking" him.

Get out but do it with care.

Looley · 07/05/2021 20:37

MizzyFizz ... I hadn’t thought of it that way. Yes you’ve put your finger on it. I hadn’t felt afraid for my personal safety except there was a moment there on the stairs when I thought there was a moment he was going to push me down them. I’m sitting here recalling other incidents I’d forgotten about. Like when he didn’t win an argument he went downstairs fuming in the middle of the night and emptied all the contents of my handbags and work bags all over the dining room floor just to get at me . He nearly destroyed a very expensive work laptop when he thought he’d lost data and was bashing it and throwing it around the room. He had a very pressurised job and I had to stop him pulling chunks of his own hair out and destroying the machine ! He was under a lot of pressure though, but I was surprised at the level of feeling. Unstable at times possibly. He got cross with me one car journey and was really rude to my mum and now he’s not welcome and they don’t speak . He is naturally very moody and emotional. But he can be charming and normal a lot of the time too. He can’t work for anyone he has to be the boss , and is a good leader but I can imagine he doesn’t take well to being told what to do by upper management. Backed into a corner he changes and doesn’t bring out the best in me I must admit. I just don’t want the youngest to think this is ok or a normal way to behave . Or to see dad pushing mum away with his feet. He didn’t hurt me with the pushing and shoving but it was quite violent to look at like a pub brawl . I’m still in shock over it i can’t believe it happened ...

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Aquamarine1029 · 07/05/2021 20:46

You should have called the police already. This is so bad it's unreal. Fuck getting the ducks in a row, just gather your children and get out of there.

Darkstar4855 · 07/05/2021 20:59

This is abuse and is incredibly harmful for your children to witness. Write down the details of what has happened (dates, times etc.) while it’s fresh in your mind. Get yourself, your kids and important documents such as passports out. Speak to somebody expert such as Women’s Aid.

Leaving is the hardest part. Things will get better. Please protect yourself and your children.

cheeseislife8 · 08/05/2021 07:04

Hope you've been ok overnight OP... are you safe? If you're planning on getting ducks in a row first, have you somewhere to go in an emergency?

timeisnotaline · 08/05/2021 07:08

Calling the police must help your custody plan? It certainly seems worth calling the police about.

Voomster953 · 08/05/2021 08:20

@toocold54

The following day (of the silent treatment) he ran up the stairs to grab DC (2) having shown no interest in him all day (because he was working)

I don’t understand this.
Surely as the father he is allowed to pick up his child whenever he wants? Unless you think he is dangerous then why are you allowing your children near him?

It rather sounds like he did purely to be antagonistic. It then degenerated when he refused to hand the crying child over and began to kick out and push at the child’s crying mother who wanted her child to comfort him.

He did it to be a cunt, basically. It sounds like he does a lot of things purely to be a cunt.

This is very familiar to me and I beg you to leave before it escalates.

Calvinlookingforhobbes · 08/05/2021 08:21

Half way through and it’s clear you’re living a horrible existence with this man. You do know to shouldn’t be like that? He should be your partner, he should care about how you feel. And he should parent his kids calmly and joyfully. OP, LTB. Life is way too short to live it like this. Your kids will turn out like him. Be strong. You can do it. I’ve done it and life is so much better.

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