To think behaviour like this shows that they should be tighter on borders for longer

[maddening]

www.bbc.com/news/uk-56984057

BBC report here shows people are already circumventing the rules in place to prevent the movement of new variants. We are so close to regaining domestic freedoms, we know there is a big job internationally to fight the virus and until these countries are in a better place we need the protection of the border beyond June, even if that means restrictions on holidays abroad. Aibu?

But in that article they aren’t circumventing the rules. They are staying in Turkey for ten days and then coming back to the UK.

The rules are that you have to hotel quarantine if you have been in a red list country in the last ten days.

I doubt that most will do 10 days in Turkey, in earlier lockdowns there were many cases that had flown to another country to get around closures etc, people I know did that also. There will always be people that are happy to risk bringing this virus back to save money or avoid quarantine.

But I also would not have green and Amber countries personally, I definitely don't trust that people stick to the isolate at home rule either.

They have to do the ten days in Turkey, there is no getting around it - travel itineraries/histories are checked. Please spare a thought for those of us overseas who can't get home and are trying to by following the rules (as in, flying to Turkey or wherever for 10 days). I haven't seen my family for more than 2 years...

Non-essential travel should be banned indefinitely. There is very little business that cannot be done over Teams and holidays abroad shouldn't be allowed until the world has got a handle on Covid. Obviously commerce still needs to happen, we need our fucking semi-conductors and so on, but shiploads of containers arriving at Felixstowe isn't the problem - people are the problem.

Of course it's hard on people whose family are spread across the world, but that's the price to pay for the modern trend of global travel. Air travel in particular shouldn't be relied on, disasters and freak events or wars could leave people stranded on the other side of the world at any moment. Stay local, stay alive.

What's the problem? People are putting a 10 day gap between being in a red list country and coming back to the UK. What more do you want? Other than everyone never leaving their immediate vicinity for the next 5 years whilst beating themselves for having dared to ever do so in the first place.

@maddening

This didn’t show people breaking the rules.
It showed there were!

And in the meantime potentially causing more spread in Turkey. Either don't go to a red zone country or take 2 weeks strict hotel quarantine on the chin, taking the increased risk to Turkey is not right Imo.

No. There's already another thread on it. That's how it is, it's been going on for months, it will continue to do so, there's nothing the 'punish them all for daring to travel' brigade can do about it no matter how much they stamp their feeties.

The hotel quarantine here is a total rip off and lining the pockets of corrupt Tory donors. Ridiculous.

It's a fundamental element of democracy that a citizen is allowed to leave their country no matter how 'essential' it is.

Fucking hilarious how ignorant people are thinking there's 'very little business' that can't be on bloody Teams!

Stay local, stay alive.

Haaahahaa!!!! You won't be alive for long if we all 'stay local'. Guess car accidents no longer happen, either.

YABU.

Thankfully, the government agrees and nothing will change to appease the Covid crazies.

@maddening

And in the meantime potentially causing more spread in Turkey. Either don't go to a red zone country or take 2 weeks strict hotel quarantine on the chin, taking the increased risk to Turkey is not right Imo.

Nope. It's up to Turkey what rules they want to set. If this it's required to enter Turkey and people do that, that's their lookout. It's a loophole and good on people for using it rather than paying nearly £2k for the rip off quarantine here.

And Cloudpop, slightly ott,

A, by keeping our domestic risk lower we can have freedom to travel throughout UK, no need for self beating

B, unlikely to be more than a year once they get vaccines distributed globally, surely by reducing spread globally and reducing variants which may undermine the vaccines we are shortening the time it takes and saving future lives, what we are seeing in India should surely underline the need for this. A lot of us have colleagues in India, the situation there from speaking to our colleagues let alone seeing the news is dire. Globally there are a lot of countries that cannot cope as well as India even, international travel is a sure fire way of extending the pandemic.

@maddening

I doubt that most will do 10 days in Turkey, in earlier lockdowns there were many cases that had flown to another country to get around closures etc, people I know did that also. There will always be people that are happy to risk bringing this virus back to save money or avoid quarantine.

But I also would not have green and Amber countries personally, I definitely don't trust that people stick to the isolate at home rule either.

Wait. What?

You're making up your own story based on something that may or may not have happened elsewhere/when?

That's not what the story says. They are using Turkey as a bridge back home. That is currently allowable and is very similar to government guidance last year. Legal!

I'm in a FB group for people doing the hotel quarantine. It's an utterly hideous experience and a total rip off. I will be travelling home via Malta mostly likely. And don't forget many of these countries need tourist income!

@TheAirbender

I'm in a FB group for people doing the hotel quarantine. It's an utterly hideous experience and a total rip off. I will be travelling home via Malta mostly likely. And don't forget many of these countries need tourist income!

Yep, and they get away with it because the British are masochists who love to see others punished for doing anything of which they don't approve. Fuck that. Get around it if possible. There is no virtue in being a mug.

Quite. Not a chance I will put my kids through that.

Wouldn't it be great if we had say umm, I don't know...a special document that showed where you had originated from and when, vaccine records (we are vaccinated) and...oooh, I dunno...tests that show whether you have Covid or not?! It's insane.

Not to mention the boost to the Turkish economy!

How about... don't charge people £1750 to quarantine. If it really costs that much, Boris can "fix it" and pay it from his wallpaper fund.

I don't see the issue? They're quarantining in Turkey and then flying to the UK, as they're allowed to do...

@skirk64

Non-essential travel should be banned indefinitely. There is very little business that cannot be done over Teams and holidays abroad shouldn't be allowed until the world has got a handle on Covid. Obviously commerce still needs to happen, we need our fucking semi-conductors and so on, but shiploads of containers arriving at Felixstowe isn't the problem - people are the problem.

Of course it's hard on people whose family are spread across the world, but that's the price to pay for the modern trend of global travel. Air travel in particular shouldn't be relied on, disasters and freak events or wars could leave people stranded on the other side of the world at any moment. Stay local, stay alive.

And we just throw the entire travel industry down the pan? Thousands of people will lose their jobs.

@skirk64

Non-essential travel should be banned indefinitely. There is very little business that cannot be done over Teams and holidays abroad shouldn't be allowed until the world has got a handle on Covid. Obviously commerce still needs to happen, we need our fucking semi-conductors and so on, but shiploads of containers arriving at Felixstowe isn't the problem - people are the problem.

Of course it's hard on people whose family are spread across the world, but that's the price to pay for the modern trend of global travel. Air travel in particular shouldn't be relied on, disasters and freak events or wars could leave people stranded on the other side of the world at any moment. Stay local, stay alive.

Of course you don't want to pay the price of not seeing your family for years. That would be hard. Others can - like nurses, doctors, waiters and other workers from EU living here.

but shiploads of containers arriving at Felixstowe isn't the problem - people are the problem.

And how do you think the containers are made, loaded with product, transported, unloaded, distributed? By magic? Robots? The ignorance is strong in some, Master Yoda.

You know that car accidents aren't contagious right?

@montysma1

You know that car accidents aren't contagious right?

You know that people carry and distribute goods, make them, process them, sell them . So, if people are the problem, well, guess we're all dead.

And thankfully, the government is not so bloody paranoid about a virus that will be endemic, here to stay and fewer and fewer are dying from and are lifting border restrictions more and more. Hurrah!