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Would you spend most of your time caring for an elderly parent?

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ImaHogg · 27/04/2021 09:29

I have a real dilemma in my life right now, I am probably digging myself a giant hole and potentially causing myself future issues.
I’m 48, married with a 13 and 15 year old and work very part time hours.
I am and have always been very close to my parents. They live around the corner from me. Dad is 80 this year and mum is 78.
Dad is in good health and up till last year was riding a motorcycle. My mum has Alzheimer’s, she was diagnosed 3 years ago and as is the nature with this wicked disease, she is getting steadily worse. She is also in constant pain with osteoporosis.
My dad does not cope well at all, he gets so angry with the diagnosis and takes it out on mum as though she is forgetting on purpose! He says his life is over and he feels trapped and can not even go down the shed on his own. He does the cooking and washing up but really doesn’t do any other housework. He thinks if he keeps badgering my mum to do it she will suddenly ‘remember’, which obviously won’t happen, so subsequently things build up, laundry doesn’t get done, bed sheets go unchanged etc. Even mums hair doesn’t get washed regularly (something my sister and I are going to have to do from now on in).
I spend most of my spare time helping out. Every week I take mum out to give dad breaks, I arrange all her hospital and gp appointments and take her to most of these, I order mums meds and collect them too, I have arranged for her to go to a day centre once a week and I take her there and collect her (although she hates it so will probably cancel it soon!). I have organised financial things for them ie mum now gets attendance allowance and dad council tax reductions etc.
I go round 6 days a week.
My sister only goes once a week, she has no children but works full time, she will do some cleaning but that’s it as she says she is too busy (she’s home most days at 4pm!). She too lives nearby.
Obviously with this disease things will start to get much, much worse and I can already see changes, mum is very depressed and just sits in the living room a lot of the time, she often looks vacant and her short term memory is shot to pieces, she cries a lot. She does perk up when I take her out for a drive etc but goes downhill once she is at home.
I appreciate living with a dementia patient is bloody tough going but don’t think my dad helps as he puts her down and tries to make her do things which the Alzheimer’s just won’t let her do.
I can’t arrange for a professional carer yet as my mum is still aware of things and says she does not want a carer or a stranger in her home, it makes her feel useless.
I am so stressed with it all and find the burden of caring/worrying about my parents welfare 24/7 overwhelming. It feels like caring for children.
To add extra woes, my dh says I am doing too much and we are starting to have heated discussions about it. He thinks my dad is being very selfish expecting me to always be there to do so much and that he should be doing a lot of it himself (ie the laundry, changing bed sheets and washing mums hair etc) but I know he won’t do it so I feel stuck between a rock and hard place, although I admit I wouldn’t want to put this burden on my own dc.
It also pisses off dh that dad doesn’t offer me any money for the help I do even though he knows I struggle a little financially. Mum and dad are very financially comfortable so that does sting a little tbh.
I am concerned how much I could take long term as I already suffer from anxiety and depression. I can see as the disease takes hold I am going to have to help more and more. This will have an huge impact on my life and my dh/children’s too.
AIBU to give up so much of my time and energy looking after my parent? Would you do the same?

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poppycat10 · 27/04/2021 09:33

I would say that your first duty is to your children. So many elderly people say they won't have strangers in the house and won't buy in help even when they can afford it easily - I find that pretty unreasonable.

I'd suggest that you ask MN to move this to the elderly parents section where you will be given sensible advice.

twiggytwoo · 27/04/2021 09:34

I think you need to sit down with your dad and your sister and discuss what happens going forward. Your sister is being really unfair and there should be a more even balance of responsibilities.

poppycat10 · 27/04/2021 09:34

My dad does not cope well at all, he gets so angry with the diagnosis and takes it out on mum as though she is forgetting on purpose! He says his life is over and he feels trapped and can not even go down the shed on his own

Completely understand this - I would feel like it too, but he doesn't get to transfer the burden to you .

CaptainAwkward · 27/04/2021 09:38

Come over to the Elderly Parents board @ImaHogg

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 27/04/2021 09:40

Had similar with PIL, but in reverse: FIL had dementia worse than MIL but she was less mobile and he used to do more housework than her, pre dementia. DH got carers in.

He told MIL they were there to help FIL, and vice versa. We had a spell of them saying "leave us alone, these people are interfering on our lives!". But they got used to them pretty quickly.
As PIL'S needs increased they were a lifesaver for DH.

Do visit the Elderly Parents board, if you haven't already.

shouldistop · 27/04/2021 09:42

If your parents have money then I'd be arranging for a cleaner to come twice a week and a hairdresser once a week.
If your mum is still aware then explain to her that it's too much for you. It's hard for your mum and dad but they can't refuse professional help whilst demanding yours.
Has your mum had an assessment by social services to see what kind of assistance they might be entitled to? Also to the gp for a pain relief review?
Your teenagers are still young and they need you too. How will you be any help with studying, choosing subjects, university applications etc if you're spending all of your time caring for your mum?

FluffMagnet · 27/04/2021 09:42

I'm sorry OP. It is a wicked disease and a lot of carers end up getting snapping and irritated as there is no release from it all. My parents cared for my grandmother in their house for many years. My mum.likened it to having a toddler, but becoming gradually more helpless and time consuming. They got the the stage where my parents couldn't even go into the garden without her following them (the front of the house is very dangerous with a steep drive and GM was getting very doddery) or doing something utterly weird in the house that would often cause a hygiene issue. My DPs have admitted defeat and she is in a lovely, tiny dementia home for ladies and she is happier than ever. She was acutely aware she was a burden on my parents, but couldn't help what she was doing. If your marriage is hanging on by a thread, and both your DF and DM are deeply unhappy, you need to force their hand and get specialist help. It is a terrifying step, but if you can find the right place, your DM will live in happiness, with dementia friendly activities and friends, and your DF can visit and begin to enjoy your DM's company again.

JellyNo15 · 27/04/2021 09:45

I feel your distress. Similar happened with my parents. My mum couldn't cope with my father's failing health and was constantly nagging him to make an effort. They refused carers and cancelled them after a few weeks when dad fell.
He has since died with Covid. She is just about coping with help from us daughters but will not use a wheelchair if we take her for appointments and is so slow and in pain when walking. She pulls and means on us and my husband said as she is a larger lady we are going to get bad backs soon and is unhappy with the situation.
I hope your dad will come round to having professional help for your mum and pay for a cleaner. Why do the elderly get so selfish. Already had a serious talk with my adult children regarding my and my husband future.

Love51 · 27/04/2021 09:45

In your shoes I'd keep the personal jobs like washing your mum's hair, but outsource the cleaning and laundry. I've no idea if your parents could afford that, but you're strung out already and potentially have a lot more years of this. Something has to give, I'd start with a cleaner. Your sister has her own boundaries, that is allowed!

shouldistop · 27/04/2021 09:47

Why do the elderly get so selfish

Do you mean why are some people so selfish?

My grandparents lived into their 90s and didn't have a selfish bone between them.

Lollypop701 · 27/04/2021 09:48

You need to have a frank discussion with your df. You are not his maid. Also ds needs to step up. Get food delivered, get them assessed by social services. Be very clear what you can do... underestimate it because social services will try to get you to do more. Give your ds her days to help and do not let her away with anything... if she doesn’t do it then your response is not my day/I have my own work to do etc. The situation won’t change unless you make it. My mil wouldn’t accept help until I told her it was that it a care home. She had help with cleaning/medication/taken to appointment etc. Remember your own life is important and will fall apart if you overstretch yourself. It will be hard to implement and you really need to be strong... but it can change if you make it. Start with a list of what you are prepared to do and what your ds needs to do and then you can fill in the gaps of what services needs to be put in place. If your ds refuses then make sure your df/dm are told, time to insist that your life doesn’t start and end with parent care. Good luck op

Wellpark · 27/04/2021 09:51

Similar story in my family. Dad has Alzheimer's. No short term memory. Mum gets angry with him forgetting about everything. She mourns the loss of her previous life as he was the driver and took her everywhere and they were out every day. The brunt of the care is on two of my three siblings. I can't be there as I live a big distance away and have my own health issues. One of my siblings had a very frank talk with my mother that dad is her husband and she has to take care of him and not hand it all over to the other two. It was upsetting but had to be said. You have my sympathy. It's really hard.

angela99999 · 27/04/2021 09:54

Sounds as though there is no future in their relationship, your DF resents having to give DM the attention. Personally I don't see that carers are the solution, your DM should be removed from the situation if they can afford it. No reason why OP should bear all the load, teenagers are her responsibility, not DP. DM might well be happier living in a care home - I'm aware I may be criticized for this post.

JellyNo15 · 27/04/2021 10:05

@shouldistop

Why do the elderly get so selfish

Do you mean why are some people so selfish?

My grandparents lived into their 90s and didn't have a selfish bone between them.

My apologies. I should have said some, not all elderly, become selfish. Maybe selfish is not the correct word. Some fail to see the effect their actions have on the wider family. You are very lucky if you haven't had to experience being in the middle of caring for elderly relatives while working and looking after your own children.
ImaHogg · 27/04/2021 10:08

Thank you everyone, I have really been grabbling with my emotions over this. As the oldest child, for some reason, I feel some kind of responsibility but I do know deep down my dad is being unreasonable yet I really do feel for him.
I will definitely look at the elderly parents section.
It’s so difficult as mum still has quite a degree of awareness atm and I just feel a care home is too soon, it would destroy her. She told me last week that she wants to die so I can get on with my life, she feels like she is such a burden and is of no use to anyone.
I have arranged for a care assessment via local SS but have been told that due to Covid there is a long delay and they won’t come out for at least 3-6 months! Alzheimer’s U.K. haven’t been much help either, again due to Covid, all support is online but parents aren’t computer savvy or interested.
I honestly don’t think I can have a decent conversation with my dsis over this and ask her to do more as she is quite immature at times (even though she is 46!) she throws a strop if I tell her any home truths, we actually fell out last week over something regarding mum and dad and I ended up apologising in the end as I just don’t want a bad atmosphere and got accused of being the bossy older sibling! I really feel cornered at times.

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ImaHogg · 27/04/2021 10:12

I do think some elderly people are selfish. My fil is the same age as my dad, mil was terminally ill last year, he cared for her every need, washed, cleaned, cooked did it all without ever asking the family for any help even though mil had done everything for their entire 60 years of marriage. She passed away in September and he has just got on with things, again never asking for anything.
My dad is completely different, he moans about everything and yet he was never like that when I was younger. Old age and mums poor health has changed him.

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Angrypregnantlady · 27/04/2021 10:14

You're doing far too much and it's not fair for them to expect that of you.

I'd be so mad at my dad in that situation. And honestly I'd tell your mum that she doesn't get to decide that she doesn't want carers, because she's expecting you to do it for her instead.
I don't know why people think they can choose to burden their family instead of getting proper care.

MIL always says she's not going in a home. I always reply with, so what's your plan for when you can't wipe your arse anymore? All said in a jokey manner but I have no intention of providing care to any of my older relatives, there's a reason it's a profession, I'm not your carer, or hairdresser, or GP, or plumber. You pay people to do those jobs.

Anonmousse · 27/04/2021 10:21

In your shoes I'd keep the personal jobs like washing your mum's hair, but outsource the cleaning and laundry. I've no idea if your parents could afford that, but you're strung out already and potentially have a lot more years of this. Something has to give, I'd start with a cleaner. Your sister has her own boundaries, that is allowed!

Agree with this, if they can afford it, outsource cleaning, laundry, gardening etc maybe look into getting some meals delivered as well.
Your parents need to look into getting outside help.
What happens when you go on holiday? Or just need some time for yourself/your family? You and your family will need a holiday but unless alternative care is in place, you might feel you cant go, or will not enjoy it because you will be stressing about them.

EnglishRain · 27/04/2021 10:22

I too think getting the support of carers or looking at whether a care home may be somewhere your DM is happier are worth looking at. If she is crying lots at home and just sitting in the living room it doesn't sound as though her home brings her much comfort, and it must be very hard for her with your DF being as he is.

People are stubborn, it's very easy to say I'm not having people in my home. But if you make it clear you can do x, but you can't do y and z, maybe they will come around to the idea.

Angeldust2810 · 27/04/2021 10:26

My dsis and I are in same boat with our mum. We put her refusal of professional help down to trying to compel us to visit more. She’s even refused something as simple as a milkman! After listing all the people she would ask to buy milk if she couldn’t get to the shop, she said if they couldn’t she would just do without. Bar stepping back I don’t know what the answer is. You can’t force an adult to accept something they don’t want.

Brainwave89 · 27/04/2021 10:27

I cared for my father in law whilst he had quite an aggressive cancer. I recognise some of the behaviour you are seeing with your parents OP. From my experience it is really important to be honest that you need help and support, both with your parents, and with medical and social services. Dementia is really difficult to cope with and you will need professional support as the disease progresses. Emotionally I understand the strain- my father in law often refused help which made situations far harder where he could not get to the toilet and we washed bed linen set after set. You need to be gentle but clear. Might be useful to speak to social services first and work out what support is available before you speak to your family (father and sister). Remember to look after yourself as well OP. You are entitled to a good life.

GooseberryJam · 27/04/2021 10:28

You're stuck in the 'daughter is expected to step up' role. I had this when my dad had dementia and even though I lived in a different part of the country, had school age DC and worked full time, had to keep explaining to social services that I couldn't be there every day.

Have a frank conversation with your dad. It is stressful to live with someone with dementia but that doesn't mean he can push it all onto you. He should do housework. Tell him you can't do it all and can't afford to. Would your husband be a better person to have a word with him about this?

Care: if your parents are financially comfortable, get a private carer in. It's by far the best way.

It's very common for parents to say they don't want carers in the house. I'm afraid that's a luxury that effectively amounts to them saying 'I want you to give up your life and do it all'. They can't have everything the way they want it. None of us can, that's life! I know it feels bad but go ahead and sort it. A good private carer will get to know your mum and she may take to it really well. Tell her it's just for a week or two while you have a lot on. She is unlikely to keep track of it but it will reassure her in the moment. If you feel bad about lying, I did myself until I realised I could choose to lie to my dad to reassure him and it actually helped him more than telling the truth which upset him and which he forgot anyway.

ImaHogg · 27/04/2021 10:32

I know I need to have this conversation but have tried so many times and it falls on deaf ears or they say yes and do completely the opposite. In hindsight I should not have made myself so available in the first place as now it seems to be a given that I’m there at the drop of a hat. Classic example was last week. I received devastating news that my absolutely beloved dog has an aggressive cancer. I had to call in on M&D after the vet had delivered the awful news, I was heartbroken (and still am) and was crying about it, dad said ‘Ah that’s awful. Anyhow, what are you doing in about an hour? I need you to sit with mum whilst I go get the oil changed on car’ffs!

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LibrariesGiveUsPower45321 · 27/04/2021 10:32

You need to stand firm and get cleaners and gardener in ASAP. Once your mum has adjusted to these I’d think about a carer. Cook batch meals your dad can heat up through the week and your sister does the same too.

Your teens need you at this age, and I assume you work too - you can’t give all that up and put risk at your and your kids future just because your dad is too stubborn to help and your mum refuses help.

ImaHogg · 27/04/2021 10:33

@Angeldust2810

My dsis and I are in same boat with our mum. We put her refusal of professional help down to trying to compel us to visit more. She’s even refused something as simple as a milkman! After listing all the people she would ask to buy milk if she couldn’t get to the shop, she said if they couldn’t she would just do without. Bar stepping back I don’t know what the answer is. You can’t force an adult to accept something they don’t want.
How can you force them? It is such a dilemma.
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