To go vegan after watching seaspiracy

[Jillybons]

I eat meat and fish at the moment (though try to buy less regularly and as ethical as possible) but after watching this I just can’t imagine eating fish again. The global fishing industry is an absolute travesty 🤦‍♀️

Freshwater Crayfish are an invasive species in British rivers so please eat as many as you can as that will help keep British rivers healthy. Fresh water trout are not damaging the eco system of British waterways as they are located in flowing waters and not stagnant pools so are a much better choice than farmed salmon. Mussels and cockles are completely sustainable. We have an amazing variety of seaweeds which are completely nutritious and sustainable and the harvest and consumption of this should be encouraged; places like Padstow in Cornwall have an amazing lobster hatchery where they have done a huge amount of research into the life cycle of the lobster and the lobster pots the local fishermen put out are not harming the eco system or the marine life. Cornish crab is not in anyway endangered nor are dogfish ' rock salmon' or sardines or mackerel.

So please, yes, avoid other types of commercially and industrially exploited fish but don't tar all fish and fishing with the same brush.

You can eat the ones I have outlined as they are sustainable, healthy and plentiful. It was a shame the documentary did not mention this.

@Newstaronhorizon

Freshwater Crayfish are an invasive species in British rivers so please eat as many as you can as that will help keep British rivers healthy. Fresh water trout are not damaging the eco system of British waterways as they are located in flowing waters and not stagnant pools so are a much better choice than farmed salmon. Mussels and cockles are completely sustainable. We have an amazing variety of seaweeds which are completely nutritious and sustainable and the harvest and consumption of this should be encouraged; places like Padstow in Cornwall have an amazing lobster hatchery where they have done a huge amount of research into the life cycle of the lobster and the lobster pots the local fishermen put out are not harming the eco system or the marine life. Cornish crab is not in anyway endangered nor are dogfish ' rock salmon' or sardines or mackerel.

So please, yes, avoid other types of commercially and industrially exploited fish but don't tar all fish and fishing with the same brush.

You can eat the ones I have outlined as they are sustainable, healthy and plentiful. It was a shame the documentary did not mention this.

Where to start...

A number are not commercially available. No management measures. E.g. crayfish and seaweed.

Many are relatively plentiful because they were previously viewed as poor quality and so not targeted heavily by fishing. That's different to sustainable.

Cockle fishing is not sustainable on a commercial basis at present. It's very environmentally damaging.

Potting for crab and lobster is being managed more but stocks are not great and over fishing still goes on. Certainly can't be expanded. Plus what do you think they bait pots with? Fish. Caught by trawling.

Also there are 2 species of crayfish. One native rare and declining. One invasive and spreading.

There is currently no commercially viable and environmentally sensitive way of harvesting. It's a cottage industry at best.

If you want to eat environmentally sustainable fish, some are better than others. Key is to pick the species carefully, eat less of it and don't waste it.

I can't get past the fact that they didn't call it ConspiraSea.

I don't blame you. I was horrified by the MSC certified tuna bit!

Yes I agree with @tilder's points in the main. Can we agree that Cornish crab, lobster, sardines, fresh water trout and mackerel and the invasive species of Crayfish are sustainable and plentiful and good choices if you want to keep eating fish.

Of course YANBU: that sounds like your conscience telling you something.

Vegan here 17yr and veggie another 10yr on top of that, I’ve definitely noticed more and more people learning the truth about how other animals are treated and choosing to try their best to avoid contributing to that abuse.

@ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax

I can't get past the fact that they didn't call it ConspiraSea.

In interviews, the filmmakers were asked this question and said that, since it's a follow up to Cowspiracy, they wanted to keep the branding.

@Newstaronhorizon

Yes I agree with *@tilder*'s points in the main. Can we agree that Cornish crab, lobster, sardines, fresh water trout and mackerel and the invasive species of Crayfish are sustainable and plentiful and good choices if you want to keep eating fish.

No! I didn't say that.

You can't buy signal crayfish. Once they're removed from a river they have to be humanely destroyed. Its impossible to build a supply chain from them.
It's not even necessarily about the fish species, its the method of catching. Even our mackerel stocks will decline if we continue to catch them in vast quantities.

The situation in Norway with King crabs shows how tricky it is to build a reliable fishery even on an invasive species.
If you create a profitable fishery sector but with the aim of depleting their target species, its not that appealing to businesses. It's a nice idea but we need to find a better way to make it work.
If we could consume more pacific oysters, that would be great, but it's costly & difficult.
We also need to stop trawling fish stocks for pet food.

Make sure you let everyone know if you do go vegan, people usually keep quiet about it

@DHdweller

Make sure you let everyone know if you do go vegan, people usually keep quiet about it

How can you tell if someone is a tedious man?

They make the same joke over and over.

Google the person behind the documentary - Kip Anderson, first. As usual they cherry-pick their claims and ignore many of the facts.

My favourite one is that one egg is as bad for you as 5 cigarettes when it comes to heart disease. Utter bollacks.

Even Greenpeace doesn't agree with the claims in the documentary.

Eating oily fish is good for you, especially if you are a pescatarian and limit your amino acid intake.

@Doomsdayiscoming or nause strangers on the internet asking if they should eat fish or not