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Original poster

to think that these women should go to jail

65 replies

MaMaLa321 · 22/04/2021 20:20

What does it take for a middle class white woman to get sent to jail?
Obviously not criminal damage.
[ www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/extinction-rebellion-protests-today-hsbc-london-b1835600.html]
AIBU to think that if any other sector of society had been doing this they'd wouldn't have been let off so lightly?

OP posts:
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 21:16

I wonder if OP will be back...

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 22/04/2021 21:21

I dont think shoplifters should go to prison but I read that thats what the largest proportion of female prisoners are in for.

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MaMaLa321 · 22/04/2021 21:54

Obviously I'm in the minority then. Fair enough. Just interesting to see how much certain groups of people can get away with. They might get a fine, which will probably be paid by crowdfunding. And the bank will replace the windows (which will not be carbon neutral).

OP posts:
LexMitior · 22/04/2021 22:02

They haven't got away with anything, have they?

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/04/2021 22:08

But...

  1. they are not all white
  2. you are just assuming that they are middle class
  3. you don’t know that they have gotten away with anything yet
  4. I think it’s a bit harsh to send anyone for prison for smashing windows, and I suspect it’s not what usually happens anyway
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:10

Have you read the posts mama?

You don't know the outcome they're being detained.
Most people don't go to prison for smashing windows anyway so why do you think it's warranted here?
Why do you assume they're all middle class?
They weren't all white?

So no people won't agree because quite frankly you don't seem to know what you're talking about.

If you can make a further argument given these points let's hear it.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:11

Lol total xpost!

Come on OP let's hear your argument in light of the facts/ unknowns.

MrsMackesy · 22/04/2021 22:14

They are a mixed group of women. They haven't got away with anything. They were/are still in police custody. They might still go to jail - too soon to tell - which might or might not be appropriate. Climate change is a vital issue and personally I would rather serious offenders were prioritised for custodial sentences and not women smashing bank windows to shine a light on environmental concerns.

MrsMackesy · 22/04/2021 22:18

@NiceGerbil

Lol total xpost!

Come on OP let's hear your argument in light of the facts/ unknowns.

Yes, come back OP. You can't expect to get off so lightly, surely?
DdraigGoch · 22/04/2021 22:33

@jay55

What's the point in protesting at an office block where the staff are still working from home?
You might as well ask "what's the point of gluing oneself to an electric train to protest against carbon emissions?"

Logic was never a strong point with XR. How much sulphur will enter the atmosphere when replacement windows are manufactured?

DdraigGoch · 22/04/2021 22:33

@TSSDNCOP

They'll be dragging a caution for criminal damage round for years, so they better have bomb proof career options.
Bank of mum and dad in most cases.
Pinchoftums · 22/04/2021 22:36

You obviously know very little about the criminal justice system.

NiceGerbil · 23/04/2021 02:30

None of the people I know with cautions have been impacted by it in any way whatsoever.

Just as a general comment.

OwlBeThere · 23/04/2021 02:42

@NiceGerbil a DBS check would not be passed with a caution so any industry that requires one is out. It also stop

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Coyoacan · 23/04/2021 03:01

Just interesting to see how much certain groups of people can get away with

It is indeed. HSCB was found guilty of money-laundering for drug barons and only got a slap on the wrist.

NiceGerbil · 23/04/2021 03:14

Many industries don't require DBs.

And do they still sort of expire after a few years.

My friend with 2 works in law enforcement type area.

Neither of mine came up on recent one (first one I've had to do).

The idea a caution will fuck your life is... Incorrect.

Pixxie7 · 23/04/2021 03:19

Purring someone in jail costs the tax payer a fortune not to mention overcrowded. So what would be the point in putting anyone in jail for breaking windows.

OnlyInYourDreams · 23/04/2021 03:38

They'll be dragging a caution for criminal damage round for years, so they better have bomb proof career options. I don’t think that should be a problem. Most of them are so-called “activists,” i.e. they’re professional thugs who go round looking to protest about anything, they don’t care what, just as long as they can inflict damage somewhere.

And they’re probably all on benefits and have never worked a day in their lives.

Oh and, the kinds of people who smash windows which will be anything but carbon neutral to replace, or tie themselves to trains meaning the best option for getting to work would be by car are a bit thick really.

Underthecarpet · 23/04/2021 04:22

Onlyinyourdreams XR is actually mainly made up of people new to activism, in my experience of them.

I am a 'professional activist' in the environmental sector. I work in a very serious, highly demanding job (not in frontline protest - there is much more to environmental advocacy than protest.). I have two degrees, one of them in law, and work alongside some of the smartest, most well-educated people I have ever worked with, including high-profile journalists, scientists, analysts, economists and many others.

We do this not because we couldn't be working elsewhere, on far higher salaries. We do it because climate change is an issue of crucial importance for everyone, and it needs to be prioritised by governments and corporations if we're to have a future worth living in.

Check your prejudices.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/04/2021 04:35

We do this not because we couldn't be working elsewhere, on far higher salaries. We do it because climate change is an issue of crucial importance for everyone, and it needs to be prioritised by governments and corporations if we're to have a future worth living in. True and timely.

Check your prejudices. FFS. Really?

Oneeyeopen · 23/04/2021 06:38

@MaMaLa321

Obviously I'm in the minority then. Fair enough. Just interesting to see how much certain groups of people can get away with. They might get a fine, which will probably be paid by crowdfunding. And the bank will replace the windows (which will not be carbon neutral).
Yes. Very interesting what the banks got away with 12 years ago!
OnlyInYourDreams · 23/04/2021 06:57

We do this not because we couldn't be working elsewhere, on far higher salaries. Of course you could love. So either you’re loaded and are paying for yourself out of your back pocket, or you’re scrounging off the state while claiming to be making your point.

Professional activist indeed.

I can’t imagine many employers would want to hire someone with that title on their CV.

I presume you also don’t have a car, or central heating, that you don’t own a mobile phone or use the internet? No? Didn’t think so.

OnlyInYourDreams · 23/04/2021 06:58

Sorry, my bold failed there....

3WildOnes · 23/04/2021 07:07

Having a caution doesn’t bar you from most careers. I work in a job that requires a DBS, if I had a caution I would have to explain why I had received it and they might decide not to hire me but it is not a given. I know people with a string of convictions who work in roles where they have DBS checks, they are still employed, they just have to show that they have changed.
The people I know who are involved in XR are very normal. Not trust fund kids or living off benefits as has been suggested. One works in IT the other is a lawyer.