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Toddler screaming in road every day

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Stiltonloving · 20/04/2021 17:46

My toddler / child almost age 4 has started screaming outside nursery on floor every day as wants to go to the shop or park. I have 2 others with me and can’t cope any more nothing works.

Today I gave removed his bike as punishment but not sure what else to do. Too heavy to lift now.

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Mangomoonlight · 20/04/2021 19:31

Mine is a similar age and still pretty regularly has a strop when it’s time to leave somewhere. I just try to ignore it but as he’s so tall it does attract quite a bit of attention. I used to surfboard him out but he’s too heavy now and I can’t do it with a young toddler in tow too.

After nursery is always a low pint of the week for us- he’s tired and hungry. Things never end well if I try to tag something on to the end of a nursery day. Perhaps just a little treat and promise of park the next day?

rainbowfairydust · 20/04/2021 19:33

My 3 year old starting throwing some Whopper tantrums once out of lockdown, similar things, transitions and when it's time to go. I got some sandtimers which are equivalent to 3 mins, 5 mins, 10 mins and started using the 3 minute one for time outs at home when he wouldn't stop, and also the 10 minute ones for using as his visual last 10 minutes of doing something. There has been an improvement, the odd wobble still but the 3 minute timer nips it in the bud quickly so it's over and done with in 3 minutes. If I was going out more places than I am now, then I'd take the timers with me too! As he gets older I'm hoping a verbal warning will work better

Stiltonloving · 20/04/2021 19:57

Tantrums happened before park incident I would say they have been bad since just before Easter. I haven’t given in. At the park I removed him after. 5 min warning but was screaming murders. I could bring snack but then he will expect that all the time which causes more reason for tantrum if not available. He has a really short fuse at the moment about everything. Another huge tantrum over pouring the bath water himself... screaming...

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Stiltonloving · 20/04/2021 19:57

Just to say he starts these screams upon exiting nursery door too...

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UKsounding · 20/04/2021 20:05

I would second those who suggest something like a banana... I think that was the age that I (worst mother in the world admission in 3..2..1) introduced DD to McD milkshakes in desperation.

ThePlantsitter · 20/04/2021 20:10

All this change and stress is hard on everyone.

He is old enough to talk to about this. Discuss and decide before nursery what will happen after. If it's the park for ten mins agree to it IF he can manage not to tantrum either beforehand or when it's time to go. Give plenty of warning that is time to go. If he does tantrum you don't need to be mean about it but it's straight home in the pushchair if necessary.

It's a shame for the other kids but I strongly believe that real ragey tantrums like that are not behaviour really but more something that happens to them. However obviously you can't be ruled by them. I've found if they know what to expect and there's no deviation from that it helps.

N4ish · 20/04/2021 20:17

I would say it’s more about being hungry and exhausted after nursery than really about wanting to go to the park. He may feel generally grumpy and want to let feelings out but not know how to do that except by kicking off.

berryhead2013 · 20/04/2021 20:27

Totally tired and hungry it's a long day fir a wee person and the behaviour is the result take a snack and a drink my son is the same age and had started coming out of nursery in a foul mood he is tired hungry and thirsty he often says he is too busy playing to go for snack (they leave it up to the kids )

berryhead2013 · 20/04/2021 20:30

@MarcelinesMa I sometimes set the alarm on my phone and say when the bell goes it's time to go home

Myvision · 20/04/2021 20:31

@nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut

I cannot believe how many people are telling you to pander to him and give in to tantrums. You never give in to a tantrum. You do it once and they'll keep trying it every time to get their own way.

I'd take a buggy and tell him that if he throws a tantrum then he will have to sit in the buggy as he clearly isn't a big enough boy to walk nicely.

Yes goodness at 4 my ds had a massive tantrum at the drs when going for a vaccination The nurse stood up and tearfully says ‘this child is saying no we have to let him have his voice’ I was fuming She carries on and turned to him and said ‘I’m listening no injection today dont worry’ and made us leave
year5teacher · 20/04/2021 20:33

Surely he should be having a snack every time after nursery? To be fair, fuck knows because I don’t have kids, but when I worked in EYFS pretty much every child had some form of snack shoved in their hand as soon as they met their parent. Some of my kids still get collected by a parent who is opening Tupperware to get a snack out for them as they approach! I only say this as you say “he will expect it every time” - even if it’s just raisins, surely that’s what most parents do?

He sounds exhausted. He’s having that “safe place meltdown” thing where they hold it in all day at nursery and then it all comes out with you because you are their safe place. I used to see my reception kids leave and utterly crumble as soon as they got to mum and dad - throwing their coat on the floor, crying, refusing to carry their bookbag etc. It made me think what the fuck are we doing to them to make them that tired and crabby at first 😂

Shove a snack at him every time straight out the door, and probably some water/squash or something too. Ignore the tantrum while it is happening - literally just stand there on your phone or something and don’t give him any eye contact. It sounds horrible but there’s nothing you can do in the moment - trying to sooth them etc can a) make them worse/more overwhelmed and b) give them what they crave, so they then tantrum more to get it. Choice based language - “if you choose to scream because XYZ you will be choosing not to go to the park. It’s up to you.” “Yes, we can go to the park because you made such a good choice to be sensible when we came out of nursery!” It gives them a sense of autonomy and control whilst also ensuring that they know that no park or whatever it is is a consequence for their own actions. Also the classic “you’re showing me you are not ready to walk home, so we are going to wait here until you can.” Incredibly calm, measured tone of voice.

I’m not saying you can’t talk to him about the tantrums at all, but in the moment they cannot be reasoned with. You could approach it with him in the evening when he’s calm and say that you really would love to be able to take him to the park on set days, but at the moment his behaviour is showing you he’s not ready for that. Say that you know because he’s such a good boy that he will be able to show you he is ready for the park tomorrow, and you’ll know he’s ready because he will have calm/kind hands and a sensible voice or whatever. When he meets you after nursery reinforce that again.

That’s what I suggest from several years of work in EYFS including with multiple children who used to throw themselves on the floor and scream and scream whenever they were asked to do anything. I became immune to it over the years but it nearly broke me at first so god knows how you manage when it’s your own child!!!

Eilethya · 20/04/2021 21:14

I was in park with mine the other day.

There was like a Mexican standoff where my 4 year old refused to leave the playground, the dog (who was stood outside at the gate with me watching) hunkered down and refused to move a muscle. The fucker is an English Bulldog and far to heavy for me to move myself. Normally I would start to walk away pretending to leave and she would scurry after me. Not this day, the dog made his stand.

DD could smell my vulnerability with the dog situation and point blank refused to leave the park. For frigging ages. People were staring.

I ended up wrapping the dogs lead to a fence, walked onto the park and picked my child up like handbag to physically remove her from the area.

I'm still waiting for the knock from SS.

Hidinginstaircupboard · 20/04/2021 21:45

There's some good parenting books out there of different strategies that might be helpful if they suit your style and your child -

1-2-3 Magic by Tom Phelan

A slightly different approach is the Parenting with Love and Logic series of books ( think there's some written on this approach for younger children and one for teens)

tobedtoMNandfart · 21/04/2021 15:55

@tobedtoMNandfart

Haven't RTFT. Meet him with a banana etc
Sorry for the brief message yesterday. My DD showed me up in the playground every day over something. In the end I would literally meet her with a banana and say we'll talk about it after you've had your snack. It's a long day to be good and she just couldn't hold it together any longer. It was progress when she could make it as far as the car before losing it 🤣
rainbowfairydust · 21/04/2021 16:11

I agree with the snack thing, take a snack... Most parents do this right up to the end of primary I'd say! And quite often kids come out of school really quite grumpy even till the end of primary! They hold it in all day and then let it out, don't take it personally

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/04/2021 16:17

I’d take him to the park as it’s really good for them after something like nursery. Concentrate on tactics for getting him to leave after a reasonable time, rather than on not going.

I also agree to meet him with a banana or similar snack.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/04/2021 16:19

I’m not saying to give in to him, just that a park trip is a good idea!

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