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To ask why actresses are now referred to as actors

90 replies

SylvieHortensis · 19/04/2021 17:00

I know it's been going on for a while but when did it start and why?

What's wrong with a woman being called an actress?

If we want a gender neutral word, why not call men actresses too?

OP posts:
Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 21/04/2021 06:04

I once had a gp describe a med student (?) doing a rotation with him as a lady doctor. I was initially confused as to why a gynaecologist would have a gp rotation but then twigged he was just a bit of a prick. Unfortunately as the appointment went on I realised he was a massive prick.

KrisAkabusi · 21/04/2021 06:50

skirk64

It's daft PC-wokeness. If it were a legitimate concern, "-esses" would be removed in all cases. Why do the female England football team call themselves "lionesses" for goodness sake? Because they don't find it offensive that people know they are female.

That's the team though, to make them distinct from the men's team, because there are two teams. I bet the individual players don't describe themselves as lady footballers though. They're just footballers. Which is how most of the media describes them to be fair.

Pinchoftums · 21/04/2021 07:03

Acting is a profession that is historically very sexist. For decades men played women as an actress was a kin (and often was) to being a prosititute.
If there were only actor awards they are much more likely to go to me. Men get approximately 70% of speaking roles in films and speak up to twice the amount that female characters do. It is only in films where women are the main characters that they appear on screen the same amount as men otherwise men on much more on screen.
Even crowd scenes have more men in (women make up about 17% of the crowd ).
The term actress has a long baggage it would have taken centuries for women to over come this.

lazylinguist · 21/04/2021 07:11

I don't see why calling them all actors has to have any effect on awards. You could still have awards for the best male actors and female actors.

honeylulu · 21/04/2021 07:28

It seems unnecessary to have the suffix when other professions don't. I'm a solicitor (female). I don't say I'm a solicitress or a lawyeress.

lazylinguist · 21/04/2021 08:45

Exactly, honeylulu. I'm not a 'teacheress'. It makes no sense to suggest that ditching the 'ess' ending is somehow erasing or being ashamed of womanhood when so many jobs already do not have female versions of their name. It is surely perfectly possible to be happy and comfortable with your femaleness without needing your job title to reflect it.

Bilingualspingual · 21/04/2021 09:07

I’m an actress. I tend to use the word actor if I’m including men in a general discussion of the job but I find myself separating male from female often in conversation because our experiences are very different. A male doctor and a female doctor or sculptor/sculptress are doing the same job with the same tools but actors are defined by who they are and what they are and it’s much tougher to be a woman in this business. (Although the same could obviously be said of a great many professions). The word, to my mind, also celebrates the first actresses in the early 1600s who were considered to have had dubious morals and were treated like shit. Anyone who wants to call themselves actors, that’s fine too.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/04/2021 11:00

I asked this some time ago, OP, but I was jumped on and accused with some bile of being an MRA who clearly saw women as inferior, for some reason....

I prefer actor but don't get why there are separate awards for best male and female actor. I don't see that it is necessary. Just one award for best actor.

I suppose the thinking is that, however amazing at acting a woman is, unless it’s one of these new, niche –look at me— ‘alternative spin’ productions, she will never be chosen to play Hamlet or one of the other male people/characters, which tend to be in the great majority - especially as the leads.

It's sexist. Actor is the norm and actress is 'woman version' seen as not the norm.

But, as has been said, why does the traditionally-accepted male version become the norm. Everything that goes ‘gender-neutral’ seems to involve dropping the female identity and mainstreaming the male one for everything and everybody.

The next logical step is surely to drop ‘woman’, because it’s presumably an ‘inferior’ descriptor, and just call all adults ‘men’. Would people really want that? When those with their own –agendas—paradigms spell it as ‘womxn’ or similar, so that it doesn’t have the word ‘men’ inside it, the vast majority of us despise and condemn it.

she harked back to a distant time when Actress was a euphemism for prostitute and she thought female actors should be given the same status as male actors.

But it hasn’t been understood that way in living memory by anybody. Lots of common words have chequered histories from centuries ago, but we accept them as they are understood now.

The word 'Wales' originally meant 'foreigners' or 'strangers', but I don't hear any proud Welsh people nowadays rejecting the word for their nation, claiming that it 'others' or 'belittles' them by suggesting that they are not/less 'British' and/or are only defined by their not being English.

Most women don’t object to being referred to as a ‘lady’ – indeed, it’s the default that we teach children to use to refer to an adult female whose name they don’t know – but it’s from Old English meaning ‘somebody who makes/kneads bread’. Not that there’s anything at all wrong with making bread, but it’s a very narrow way to describe a person: we have the ‘(gentle)men’ who do all the exciting and important things that human adults do in life, and then we have the ‘ladies’, who are just there to make bread. Hmm

Jez71 · 21/08/2023 18:32

It's for equality, however notice how they retain it when it's cool, ala Lioness in Football...

toffeebutterpopcorn · 21/08/2023 20:01

I was at college with an actor back in the mid 80s. She referred to herself as an actor.

SteveLarson · 11/09/2023 23:26

Mountainpika · 19/04/2021 17:15

And I'd like to think that in my lifetime I'll see an end to the 'first woman /black man/black woman man/gay' announcements. It shouldn't be necessary to point that out. The best person for the job.

And why are women so often defined as '58 year old grandmother...'? Unless it's a story about her grandchildren, that's irrelevant information.

I will return to my knitting and rocking chair.

That isn't going to happen as the trend is moving forther towards giving people consideration because of their gender, race, sexual oreientation, etc. There is this grossly misguided notion that we can somehow right the wrongs of the past by wronging others in the present.

Lockdownbear · 12/09/2023 00:42

It's an old thread but the answer has to be the same reason as we now refer to Police Officers not Policeman /woman.
Head teacher rather than Headmaster/mistress.
Firefighters not firemen.

So many job titles have been made gender neutral. And many more have always been gender neutral, gardener, chef, nurse, doctor, joiner, bricklayer.

Bobbotgegrinch · 12/09/2023 00:55

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 19/04/2021 20:39

So why are there awards for actors and actresses, surely there should be no distinction?

Because sexism and misogyny are still a thing. Take a look at the Brit awards this year, they got rid of the sex based categories and surprise surprise, men won everything.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 12/09/2023 03:55

Interestingly, 'waitron' - or even waiter routinely for waiting staff of both sexes - has never really taken off, though. And most junior roles usually done by juveniles such as paperboy/girl, ballboy/girl, Saturday girl/boy have never been universally morphed into X-child.

And then you get people like Amanda Owen, who presumably has found it advantageous to her career/profile to deliberately brand herself as the 'Yorkshire Sheperdess'. Even if it does stem from the fact that almost all shepherds have traditionally been (or been assumed to be) male, and so it makes her stand out by using a specifically female title.

Lockdownbear · 12/09/2023 06:46

I can't think when I last heard waitress being used, waiter, serving staff, front of house.

Juvenile roles paperboy had been killed of by Internet and really nobody wants their kids delivering papers especially in the dark mornings.

Ballboy/ girl ill give you that.

Saturday staff, Saturday kids then to be the current terms rather than Saturday girl.

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