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Not to medically treat my DD

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StayingHere · 18/04/2021 01:56

My DD is 8.5. We are overseas in an Asian country that relies on medical insurance, I think this might be relevant later. This time last year she started showing signs of puberty (a little under arm hair and adult body odor). For reassurance I took her to an endocrinologist who insisted that she had precocious puberty and as soon as she developed signs of Estrogen (ie breast buds) that she should be treated with puberty blockers for a couple of years. Her bone age scan showed 1 yr and 11 months ahead which he said would have an impact on her adult height. I consulted another doctor in the UK via zoom who said her results showed early adrenarche (adrenal hormones setting off a bit early), not precocious puberty and that she is really more likely to be 'just' an early developer - her development is not rapid and shows no signs of the hormone you need to trigger breast development followed by periods a couple of years later. She doubted that her full adult height would be wildly effected even with the advanced bone age. Based on her family history she is unlikely to be a 91st centile adult anyway so we wouldn't expect her to follow that line forever.
A year later and she has no breast buds, she has pretty much the same amount of under arm hair and she has stayed on her growth line. She is happy and healthy and aside from a little spray of deodorant on PE days her life is the same as any other 8 year old girl. The underarm hair is light and no one seems to have ever noticed.
I do not particularly want to treat her even if she does develop breast buds whilst she is still 8 or early end of 9. I am not convinced that puberty blockers are a good thing unless puberty is very precocious (ie 5 or 6) and I understand that there is usually 2 years or so between breast buds and periods which means even if that all started now she would be 10.5 (I was 11 and in primary school and I survived). I also don't think her predicted height of 5'3-5'4 would make her life particularly bad! I was a very tall child and early to my period and topped out at 5'6 which I find totally fine.

I guess I am worried that I am doing her a disservice and I should treat her. Will she resent me if she ends up short or has her period early? Or would she be more likely to resent me if I put her through puberty blocker injections every 2-3 months - I would have hated that. DH falls firmly on the side of not treating her - I very much lean that way too but want to do the right thing by her and not make her childhood difficult.

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ilovepuppies2019 · 18/04/2021 08:08

Puberty beginning at age 8 is still within the normal range although at the very earliest end. I suggest that you have a look at the onset of puberty across different cultures as there are statistically significant differences. This could certainly affect a doctor's perception of normal. Does she need a bra OP? I needed deodorant at age 8 in year 3 and was around the youngest in my class. I started my period at the end of 10 and needed a bra and was again one of the youngest in my class. I'm 1.6 metres which actually makes me taller than my mother and grandmother 😁 I assume that I was always going to be this height. There are developmental consequences of beginning your puberty early but there are also developmental consequences of starting late which I wouldn't overlook either. I'm not a doctor but the medical intervention involves sound substantial for only slightly early development. If she has her period at 10.5 then she'll be a little early but as you can see from the stories here, certainly not abnormally and life alteringly so. I would be very hesitant to expose her to puberty blockers that will have significant consequences simply for being 6 months earlier than most. Good luck in your decision!

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diddl · 18/04/2021 08:09

"Most children won't get periods until they are 50kg and we have found that to be true."

That's a very sweeping statement!

I'm short-5ft I didn't weigh 50kg until my first pregnancy!

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arethereanyleftatall · 18/04/2021 08:19

It wouldn't have crossed my mind to do anything about this at all. I'm really glad you decided against the blockers. That sounds absurd for what is fairly standard, if early, development. So, I agree with you, I would definitely not be medically treating this.
As an aside, I'm 5 foot tall, have never been over 50kg, except when pregnant, and absolutely love my height!

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arethereanyleftatall · 18/04/2021 08:23

'Once periods come adult height has been reached.'
This is, surely, nonsense? (Note I don't know). But 75% of my dd, 12, class has started their period and their heights are not nearly representative of a group of adult heights.

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TheThingsWeAdmitOnMN · 18/04/2021 08:24

I was almost 14 when I got my period (the last one of my group/class - but I was fine with that & in no hurry!!). I don't remember when I got BB, but I was at least 11, I'm not quite 5ft.

I'm surprised at just how young the girls are starting their periods in the U.K. so many around 8/9/10 - young girls who really don't need the hassle at their age.

My friend was advised to give her daughters growth hormones (different I know) as they were small, but their Dad is very short & she's not tall, they calculated the girls would be about my height, so she refused! They are now adults and are both a bit taller than me. Neither of them care about being 'short' & are happy with my friends choice not to have given them growth hormones.

However, now it's playing on your mind about her bones etc (and much more is known) I'd do what the GOSH consultant said & get her checked out when you get back to the U.K. It'll put your mind at rest

There is nothing traumatic or scary about this for a child that doesn't have an illness.

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littlepieces · 18/04/2021 08:25

I started puberty around 8/9, started my periods at 11. At least two other girls in my class started their periods at the same age. It's on the earlier side but not wildly unusual. I'm 5'7, have certainly never had any growth issues.

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Roonerspismed · 18/04/2021 08:27

I definitely don’t think adult height is reached when periods start.

Is this more nonsense spouted by professionals when proper studies on women haven’t been done?

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MrsPnut · 18/04/2021 08:32

My daughter started her periods at 13 and still hasn’t stopped growing at nearly 15. She’s 6ft at the moment.

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EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 18/04/2021 08:39

I can imagine hospitals are a scary place for any child, not just mine.

Well they probably will if you start off with that attitude!
Not suggesting unnecessary hospital visits - but if you don't blow it up to be something scary, surely you're less likely to instil a lifelong fear of hospitals.

Agree that puberty blockers sound unnecessary, and potentially favoured due to £££

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funtimefrank · 18/04/2021 08:45

I'm sure I've read that they can grow for about 2 years after they start periods?

Dd2 is another who had the bo/hair from maybe 8. Breast development probably started about 10 and she's growing like a weed at the moment. She's taller than my mum now and only an inch off me (we are short but not abnormally so. Dh is v tall though so who knows where she'll end up). She's 11 and a half in year 6 with no period yet. Taller end of the class.

I was surprised as she is and always has been very light - she's been between 12th and 25th centile since birth. Also very sporty. Like a pp I thought that weigh was a trigger but not here.

Dd1 is her twin and she is a good 6 months behind her.

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Norabuzz · 18/04/2021 08:52

Surely the doctors in Asia (I'm assuming Singapore by your 'they love their medicine' comment?!) are able to access the UK charts for your daughter though? And so are comparing your daughter with UK averages rather than the relevant Asian-country's charts?

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StayingHere · 18/04/2021 09:12

@Norabuzz

Surely the doctors in Asia (I'm assuming Singapore by your 'they love their medicine' comment?!) are able to access the UK charts for your daughter though? And so are comparing your daughter with UK averages rather than the relevant Asian-country's charts?

He used an American chart for her actually, didn't have the UK one but close enough he said! It's not that I don't think he can read the charts, more he is likely to be skewed by treating a far higher percentage of children who are Chinese in original.
Anyway, by the time we get home to the UK she will be 9 and i think really unless her entire puberty happens in the next 7 months then it isn't really worthwhile following it up at her that age! I'm glad I steered clear of the puberty blockers in the first place and after reading this thread I'm pretty sure that's the right decision and I am very unlikely to put her through this when it sounds like many girls start to develop around this age.
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shouldistop · 18/04/2021 09:23

I think you've made the right decision op, she just sounds on the early side of normal.

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dontdisturbmenow · 18/04/2021 09:31

I remember seeing breast buds on my DD when she was 8 or 9 and being quite shocked especially as she was very skinny.

In the end, she got her period at 12, totally normally.

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MackenCheese · 18/04/2021 09:37

My understanding is that girls need to reach around 42kg for periods to start. After that they will grow 2-3 inches more, maximum. My DD just started hers at age 12, so I'm hoping she can put on a couple more inches. Having said that, height really doesn't matter as some pps have said!

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HTH1 · 18/04/2021 09:43

How odd of you to be watching out for “breast buds” and monitoring the poor girl’s underarm hair! I give my sons privacy and couldn’t tell you if they have started to develop body hair.

I suggest you leave her alone and give her some privacy rather than dragging her to the doctor every time you spot a sign she may be growing up!

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mogtheexcellent · 18/04/2021 09:51

It may be a simplified reasoning about periods and height but that's generally what the the consultant said to me.

And since I'm the one with a DD with CPP who is on triptorelin injections every 11-12 weeks until she is 8.5 to 9 Hmm

She may grow a bit afterwards bit not everyone does.

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OhShitShit · 18/04/2021 09:52

@HTH1

What?! It’s not at all odd to check on, or notice changes to your child’s body.

Children don’t always notice or understand what’s normal/ needs attention- e.g I have a very large congenital mole on my lower back that I can’t see and needs occasional checks. If ever my DM saw me getting out of the shower or came into my room while I was changing while I was a child/teen, she’d take a quick look at it. She still does to this day when we’re on holiday etc.

This is no different at all- the OP noticed early body hair and is monitoring a potential physical condition.

Wind your neck in.

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shouldistop · 18/04/2021 09:55

My understanding is that girls need to reach around 42kg for periods to start

There is no minimum weight required. Maybe there's an average weight but I started my periods at 12 and I was under 40kg

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StayingHere · 18/04/2021 09:57

@HTH1

How odd of you to be watching out for “breast buds” and monitoring the poor girl’s underarm hair! I give my sons privacy and couldn’t tell you if they have started to develop body hair.

I suggest you leave her alone and give her some privacy rather than dragging her to the doctor every time you spot a sign she may be growing up!

I literally laughed out loud at this.
Look, I live in a hot country - my 7 year old had knock out adult BO. She always has sleeveless tops because it is fucking roasting here, so yeah I noticed her dark under arm hair and I believed as she was only 7 that this warranted a check up. Due to her advanced bone age, the doctor (both of them in fact) recommended that I monitored her breast development to check for 'rapid development' as this can indicate a hormone issue. This 'checking' is nothing more than a cursory glance - she wouldn't even notice.
I'm not going to apologise for subtly monitoring the health of my DC - if I hadn't given DS a quick glance when I helped him out the shower (he's 5 before you get in a twist) I wouldn't have noticed a very sore patch of skin on the back of his legs which turned out to be fungal infection. It really isn't weird at their age.
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ElaborateSalad · 18/04/2021 09:57

I was wearing a bra aged nine. Can't say it's had a a negative impact at all

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ElaborateSalad · 18/04/2021 10:02

I should add that I started my periods aged eleven, and stopped growing around that age too. I'm just under 5'8"

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Shelby2010 · 18/04/2021 10:11

OP, I recently saw a UK paediatrician for a similar situation with my 7 year old DD. She said they now only consider treatment if the child starts going into proper puberty before 8y. She advised keeping an eye on her development & monitoring her height for growth spurts. She didn’t think it was anything to worry about though.

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nolongersurprised · 18/04/2021 10:31

Sounds like premature adrenarche (early androgenisation - hair, odour etc) rather than true precocious puberty. Usually nothing at all to worry about, not “proper” puberty as no oestrogen production. At worst there may be an increased risk of acne later on

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nolongersurprised · 18/04/2021 10:38

My understanding is once breasts start to bud it is entering full puberty and once periods come adult height has been reached.

It’s quite interesting the variation in growth after the first period. It’s true that oestrogen promotes fusion of the growth plates and most girls have their major growth spurt before puberty and most seem to only grow about 5cm in the few years after before they stop. However, in “real life” there’s massive variability in that. My own oldest daughter was 154cm at 11 when her first period came and is now 172cm at 14 1/2 years. She grew 10cm in the year after her (very regular) periods started.

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