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AIBU?

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Retail night shift, sending people home. Second workplace same issue.

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2here1coming · 17/04/2021 22:24

My partner has worked in retail for the past 5 years, specifically night shifts as they bring in a premium rate.

Over the past month he has been getting sent home on occasion as soon as he gets there, along with others, as he's told there are surplus staff in and not enough work to do. It's a HUGE supermarket so there should be plenty to do. He has a permanent contract and assures me that on these occasions he will be paid holiday pay. I don't know whether he's just saying that to put my mind at rest though.

Similar happened at his last place of work, also retail, until eventually they wanted to stop the night shift completely.

Why does this keep happening and does it sound like they're gearing up to let staff go?

It's a worry as we have children with one on the way and new jobs are hard to come by right now.

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roulade · 18/04/2021 11:52

@2here1coming
Yes bonus next pay

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2here1coming · 18/04/2021 11:54

Thank you all for explaining, I feel much more informed for posting.

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An0n0n0n · 18/04/2021 12:03

He's full of shit, there's no way they are paying him. Think about it. The day rate and night rate are paid the same, with night staff making, say, 20% premium. So if they send him, and a few others, home with day pay for doing nothing they are only saving 20% X however many staff are sent home.

That's fuck all saving. To save 260 hours by that logic then they need to save (5x260ish=over 1000 hours) to make a 260 hour saving.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 18/04/2021 12:11

@An0n0n0n

If he is taking it as holiday then they will be paying him. There is a separate budget for holiday it doesn't come out of the stores allotted hours.

aintnothinbutagstring · 18/04/2021 12:30

Yeah but if you're getting paid holiday, you're losing your holiday hours to take elsewhere in the year. You're also not working the hours to meet your allocated holiday entitlement so you might have to pay that back at year end. So yes properly shit and I'd refuse to go home, they can't make you if you're on a contract. If they want to let people go or change contracts, they have to go through a proper sit down process for that to happen.

Twoforthree · 18/04/2021 12:33

I'd ask him to explain what he's going to do for holiday if he's used it all up. See if he'll admit some of it is unpaid.

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2here1coming · 18/04/2021 12:34

Hopefully now I'm aware he was being misleading about having a choice, he should stop accepting their offer to go home.

Its not just about the money for me but also reasons like PP's have pointed out, if he's wasting his holiday allowance now then that limits what we can do throughout the year.

We are planning on a trip to butlins with the kids as our holiday got cancelled last year, that will be prove difficult if he's ploughing through his holiday allowance unnecessarily.

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2here1coming · 18/04/2021 12:35

Paternity leave.. is that separate to holiday? Because I'm going to need him to have time off when the baby arrives in November as I'm having a CS.

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Soubriquet · 18/04/2021 12:37

Holidays did reset in March but we are allocated all of our holidays when it’s reset weirdly enough

We are expected to use 50% of holidays before September

FlyingBurrito · 18/04/2021 12:38

Yes, that's a separate issue, you can't take it out of holiday but you need to check the specific rules for Sainsburys as employers have different Ts and Cs

aintnothinbutagstring · 18/04/2021 12:38

Ive done this work. They would ask at shift start if anyone wants to go home as they're over hours but they definitely would not be paid. Technically they could offer to pay in holiday but it was have to be a mutual agreement that you're happy to do that. Otherwise they'd say 'if anyone wants to go home, you can but you'd not be paid'. If I was working a quiet night, we could dress, especially GM area, or work topstock/backstock, boring but there's always usually something to do.

woodhill · 18/04/2021 12:39

@2here1coming

Well he's up and out for football, that was quick.

A teammate came to pick him up.

What a lovely 24 hours he'll have had.

Chooses to come home from work and relax watching tv, a couple of hours on a shooting game.

Up and out this morning to his favourite hobby now no work until Tuesday night.

Meanwhile I work both days of the weekend and don't get home until 9 (I work 1-8pm) ...I still have to do all the childcare in the lead up. No dossing about or football for me.

Are the dc his OP.

He sounds like a waste of space and selfish. He's living like a lodger

Sorry you are having tout up with this

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 18/04/2021 12:40

Sainsburys worker here, the new holiday year started Sunday 7th March so at the moment he would have plenty of holiday to take but doing this would mean he is using up his allowance. I have been asked occasionally if I want to leave early and take it as holiday but I always refuse as I don't want to loose it.

woodhill · 18/04/2021 12:41

Put up

aintnothinbutagstring · 18/04/2021 12:42

Yes holidays reset in march, we were told take half entitlement in summer and half autumn/winter til march. Paternity will be separate to holiday. He can check on Kronos his holiday entitlement from march and check whether the nights he's left have been applied as holiday.

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2here1coming · 18/04/2021 12:46

The children are all his yes, the two we have now and the one I'm expecting. I wouldn't take them back regardless of any issues I have with him.

He does his share when he's home but he could definitely do more by going onto days. I've been asking him to consider it for a long time but he never bothers to enquire because he prefers nights.

In his defence he does do the nursery runs, cooking etc on his days off so there is some redeeming qualities but IMO he lacks responsibility in other areas and the lies have really taken their toll. He has always been like it, saying whatever he thinks people want to hear 'for a quiet life'

I'm about to start work but I'll be talking to him about his holiday allowance/pay when I finish and I'll update when I can. Thanks all for your contributions you've been very helpful.

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aintnothinbutagstring · 18/04/2021 12:48

Everything can be checked at home on the system, via the mysainsburys website. So you can ask him to login and check all of this, the rota/timesheet on Kronos, holiday entitlement, payslips, everything. No need to be in the dark, ask him to show you.

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2here1coming · 18/04/2021 12:50

Great point about Kronos, I didn't think of that

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aintnothinbutagstring · 18/04/2021 12:53

Yeah the managers have to update Kronos after each shift so it will say either hours worked or if it's paid as holiday/sick leave etc.

Auntycorruption · 18/04/2021 13:20

@2here1coming

Well he's up and out for football, that was quick.

A teammate came to pick him up.

What a lovely 24 hours he'll have had.

Chooses to come home from work and relax watching tv, a couple of hours on a shooting game.

Up and out this morning to his favourite hobby now no work until Tuesday night.

Meanwhile I work both days of the weekend and don't get home until 9 (I work 1-8pm) ...I still have to do all the childcare in the lead up. No dossing about or football for me.

You can take back control you know. This reads like you have no choice in the matter. You can leave him if he's a shit husband

Auntycorruption · 18/04/2021 13:23

@2here1coming

Paternity leave.. is that separate to holiday? Because I'm going to need him to have time off when the baby arrives in November as I'm having a CS.

How can you be on your third child and not know this?

Yes maternity and paternity leave are entirely separate to "holiday" aka annual leave. He should be entitled to 2 weeks paid leave when the baby is born.

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