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To hate what covid has done to the rest of the health service

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Dishwashersaurous · 15/04/2021 10:48

I need an operation. Haven't seen a consultant in over a year due to covid. Finally, following telephone appointment I've been listed for the surgery.

I'm in constant pain and barely able to get out of bed most days.

I phoned to find how long the waiting list is. Due to covid its over a year.

I then investigated taking out a loan to go privately. The private wing at the hospital have just told me that due to covid they are not doing any overnight stays for months.

So I will probably lose my job ic I have to wait until a year. And I will be in constant pain. And all due to covid

OP posts:
MissyB1 · 15/04/2021 15:59

@BuggerBognor

DH (consultant) has had a pretty easy 12 months ringing his patients and deferring chemo and radio. He was not redeployed. He got under my feet a lot at home but had a pretty good pandemic.
Oh yes my dh (a Consultant physician) told me how a couple of surgeons behaved like this. They couldn’t operate and were supposed to be helping out on the wards, but would say to physicians like my husband, “oh this is your bag not mine, I will be at home doing emails” Angry They thought they were too good to look after medical patients. Luckily it was only a tiny minority who behaved so badly. Lots of the surgeons went to help on ITU doing nursing care.
MercyBooth · 15/04/2021 15:59

I was wrong about them not getting compliance for a winter lockdown if they cancelled Christmas.
But i was right about it not being enough whatever we do and whatever we sacrifice. Hopson and his ilk want even more.

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Acovic · 15/04/2021 16:00

@Dissimilitude FFS they OP is about the long waiting time for surgery.

And then you say "but no one is talking about the specialities heavily affected by covid"

Exactly where do you think operations happen?
Exactly who do you think administers anaesthesia?

I'll tell you.

Operations happen in the operating theatres - yup those places that in many many hospitals were turned into makeshift ITUs. With theatre, anaesthetic and recovery nursing staff rapidly unskilled to become ITU nurses.
Anaesthetists are some of the most agile clinicians in the hospital - we can do anaesthetics, but loads of us have medical management roles, and we do lots of ITU during our training. I do not know a single anaesthetic colleague anywhere in the UK that was not on a different working pattern due to covid.

My own experience was that we lost our registrars and half our consultant colleagues to adult ITU.

Those of us left in paediatric anaesthesia had to become resident - that meant my senior colleagues in their 60s went back to being in the hospital overnight. This also meant that we were anaesthetising some really high risk children single handed - normally there would be a consultant and a registrar. Quite frankly it was brutal.

In the wider children's hospital - the paediatric ICU became an adult ICU. Paediatric ICU condensed into a much smaller footprint. Nursing staff were deployed to assist in adult ICU so some of the specialist nursing roles were left uncovered meaning more work for the medical team.

The children's hospital adult ICU has now closed but we are in a regrouping phase. The waiting list is enormous. I'm sure some of the people who read this post will have children on that waiting list.

But everyone just needs a little bit of time to regroup, relax and process their experiences before we dash off headlong into what will be a very intense working pattern. If we don't take this time our vacancy rate will rise even further (we have so many nursing vacancies it is on the risk registrar for the hospital) and I worry about the impact on my colleagues mental health.

Once we get up and running again we will be working extended days as standard, I believe with 8pm finishes (tough luck if you have younger kids and wanted to see them before bed). We already start at 07:30 each morning so many colleagues don't see their kids then either.

We will be running all our theatres every Saturday too. The managers want to do Sunday working too but the clinical managers have said the workforce can't do it.

Even running extended days and Saturday sessions will require everyone to work quite a lot of additional hours. Yes, we will get paid but sometimes having some downtime / family time is more important than the £££.

Remember it was this government who instituted Brexit which has really contributed to the nursing vacancy rate as so many european colleagues have returned home because they feel unwelcome.

It was the Jeremy Hunt/ Teresa May led conservative government who removed the nursing bursary which had an immediate impact on nurse training numbers.

It is this government who have let NHS pay fall in real terms by around 10%. The effect on senior doctors pay is even more marked.

@Dishwashersaurous this is probably why the consultant you like so much does minimal NHS work and lots of private because his NHS salary isn't great and the private work pays his mortgage and kids school fees.

The press reports about doctors salaries don't tell you about the changes to the pension scheme which increased our contributions from

user1471453253 · 15/04/2021 16:02

They have not stopped all cancer treatment in Scotland. I live fairly rurally there and was diagnosed last May: had initial treatment over the summer, followed by ongoing long-term immunotherapy with a very new drug. I fully appreciate I've been very lucky, and that non-Covid provision is patchy, but there's certainly been no country-wide cancellation.

l2b2 · 15/04/2021 16:02

@Hobbitfeet32 @Natty13
I completely agree with you both. Ignore the poster who called you uncaring Natty. Unless you're a HCP / NOK to someone in ITU with Covid or even both, it's inconceivable shop- floor experience to joe public.
To the poster who wondered what all the Speech and Language therapists had been doing during the pandemic. Wow, don't even know where to start with that. 🤦‍♀️

bloodywhitecat · 15/04/2021 16:03

[quote Pupster21]@BuggerBognor is hopefully lying. If not I’m appalled and angry.[/quote]
Whether that poster is lying, telling the truth or goading it is an awful statement to make. So many are dying because of Covid and because of the restrictions around Covid.

mooonstone · 15/04/2021 16:05

Oh that’s sad. I had 3 referrals pre-pandemic and all are being dealt with. One was sorted quickly last April, 2nd earlier this year and I have the appointment for the last next week.

Luckily the waiting around hasn’t been that bad for me. I suppose I was seen faster compared to you as surgery wasn’t involved.

TotorosFurryBehind · 15/04/2021 16:05

I'm so sorry 😞 But it is not really Covid that has done this but the years of underfunding and resource cutting/ stealth privatisation by this government of NHS.

If it had not been on it's knees to begin with, the NHS would not have had to shut down so entirely to deal with Covid.

Parker231 · 15/04/2021 16:06

@BuggerBognor - why did your DH not volunteer to work in other areas of the hospital?

DH is a GP - he spent 8 weeks working on a Covid ward as they were so short staffed. His colleagues put in extra hours to continue to keep the GP surgery running each day for f2f and telephone consultations.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 15/04/2021 16:07

I hear you OP. My dad started getting pains every time he ate or drank anything at the end of May last year. The GP referred him for an urgent scan as dad was also losing weight. He eventually had it on September 14th...by which time the cancer had grown and become inoperable, he died 6 weeks later. I know people died of covid (my mum being one of them 7 months before we lost dad), but the NHS let my dad down badly and for that I will neither trust, nor forgive, them again.

MercyBooth · 15/04/2021 16:16
  1. "Covid deniers and their mates who have contributed to the spread by ignoring restrictions"

Except the data shows that compliance was high. You say blame the Tories and i do but why are you colluding with them by blaming the public like they have.
Ive seen quite a few NHS workers doing this on Twitter over the last year.

There is going to be a hell of a lot of resentment towards the NHS because of it.

Staffy1 · 15/04/2021 16:17

It's rotten, and quite ridiculous that urgent operations are being put off. We can't even be given a date for surgery that should have happened in February. They apparently are only planning each month as it comes. I am so fed up with the lack of information as well as the worry.

MercyBooth · 15/04/2021 16:17

NHS workers calling ppl Covidiots like you have is nothing new

QuarantineQueen · 15/04/2021 16:21

No one said anything about nurses and doctors on the ground until you did Natty. People were talking about systems, high up managers and underfunding. They were also talking about their own experiences of pain and in one case, the death of her baby.
YOU were the one who came along shouting that people are blaming nurses. No one else. I'm sorry you've had a difficult pandemic. I think doctors and nurses and HCAs and midwives and other HCPs have been amazing.
But that doesn't mean that no one else has had a difficult time. It doesn't mean that there isn't a problem with underfunding/management. And it certainly doesn't mean that your aggressive response to women who are in pain or bereaved, who had not suggested anyway that the problem was with the doctors and nurses on the ground, was in any way acceptable or warranted.

countbackfromten · 15/04/2021 16:43

I was about to type something until I saw what @Acovic wrote and they said it better than I ever could.

I’m an anaesthetic registrar who was pulled into worked in the covid ICU for several weeks in both waves.

countbackfromten · 15/04/2021 16:46

And staff are allowed to be on these threads and give our reality. It has been hell. And we won’t go into the next few months quietly but pushing and pushing to get operations and procedures done. We hate that waiting times are so long and we want to be treating patients who have waited.

Blame the government for their mishandling of the pandemic, blame years of cutting services to the bone.

But please realise what we have been through and why this hits a nerve.

quarentini · 15/04/2021 16:50

Staff must then also realise that people are allowed to criticise.
That people have waited and waited and waited and not everything can be down to covid.
People are criticising a system not a person

countbackfromten · 15/04/2021 16:56

@quarentini of course I get that. But excellent posts like @Acovic’s explains exactly why services couldn’t continue as usual and I don’t think that is well understood.

It is hard not to take it personally when you have been working at full pace for over a year now. Huge numbers of staff are exhausted and on the verge of burn out and that is a huge risk going forwards as if we aren’t at work, more patients will be left waiting.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 15/04/2021 17:00

If compliance was high then the problem was the rules were too lax or applied too late.

The only way to have kept health services running through the winter was to keep the covid numbers as low as possible. We completely failed to do that. Leading not only to Kota of people needing beds, but lots of staff being off sick with Covid.

Alsohuman · 15/04/2021 17:05

People’s experience seems to vary. My friend had a course of radiotherapy this time last year which seems (fingers crossed 🤞) to have eradicated her cancer and has saved her from absolutely brutal surgery.

I was referred for an X ray and was called in for it the same afternoon because apparently people were too scared to go into the hospital for diagnostic tests. GP appointments have been very easy to get here.

Hobbitfeet32 · 15/04/2021 17:11

I started writing a reply about why SLT work had been delayed but deleted it because I just felt that it will be falling on ignorant ears.
Nothing bothers me more than our waiting times at the moment and my team are working so so hard to bring them down and get people seen. To hear feedback on hear is so demoralising.
I don’t suppose anyone has thought that even managers were redeployed. Senior managers in my trust have been doing vaccinations, were redeployed to clinical roles, had to increase how much on call work they had to do, had to rewrite whole systems, convert theatres to ICUs in a matter of hours, we had staff redeployed to do fit mask testing, to work in the kitchens etc.
Whilst I have every sympathy with those who’s treatment has been delayed, I really do, please remember that the staff in the nhs (including managers) will also have faced these same issues in their personal lives and are desperately trying to ensure people get the right treatment but also safely.

Natty13 · 15/04/2021 17:12

Lots of people saying that posters are blaming the system, not frontline workers but lots of people ARE coming in and having a go at us for it all and that's the problem. I've had to ban certain visitors when we've only just started again because they wouldn't stop harassing the staff trying to do their jobs and blaming everone who walked past that their relative hadn't been seen sooner. Clearly to lots of people we've all been sitting twiddling our thumbs for the last year having a right old laugh at the poor folk (often including our own family members) not diagnosed or treated on time.

People love to blame the decision makers with zero consideration for how we must feel making those decisions. Our head of nursing and medical director were regularly seen around ITU helping us at 11pm and back again before the days of have even arrived. People who love to complain about NHS decision makers have no idea what actually goes in to those roles. People get all riled up on threads like this and I can't help but wonder how they then behave towards HCWs when they are seen.

toocold54 · 15/04/2021 17:20

I do understand OPs concern although from my experience and the people I have spoken to getting operations etc are practically as normal but getting a GP appointment is almost impossible.

I recently was waiting 2 weeks for an appointment with my GP I phoned every day and they said they would ring me if an appointment became available. I ended up extremely ill and an ambulance was called and ended up staying in hospital - which is such a massive drain on resources (and my health) where as if I had seen a GP sooner they could have treated me with antibiotics.

I am annoyed and also scared that my life was at risk because I couldn’t see a GP and worry how many people had become seriously ill/died because of it but then I read up on places like Brazil where the numbers of deaths are so high (especially children) and I remember why it is like it is.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 15/04/2021 17:21

@CirclesWithinCircles

It's bizarre how the nhs has virtually closed in the UK. I have friends and relatives in other European countries who have had non life saving surgery in the midst of the pandemic.
And dentists visits.... And physio. And preventative exams....
tsmainsqueeze · 15/04/2021 17:24

@VegCheeseandCrackers

So badly. I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. It's not fair. My son was born sleeping in June and I was refused a 6 week appointment with GP. This was my first pregnancy. Spoke to a friend who also went through it. My dad cousin has had concerns for months and was refused appointments and now has found out he has terminal cancer. And our incidents are far from isolated. It's awful.
I am so very sorry for your loss, absolutely unforgivable that you were refused an appointment in this situation , same for your dads cousin, We are going to hear so many similar stories in the near future , the government should hold their heads in shame . And what if all the lockdowns , cancellations of routine checks , operations , smears etc was totally over the top ?. I am very fearful that what we are about to experience will make the virus look like a walk in the park .
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