To hate what covid has done to the rest of the health service

[Dishwashersaurous]

I need an operation. Haven't seen a consultant in over a year due to covid. Finally, following telephone appointment I've been listed for the surgery.

I'm in constant pain and barely able to get out of bed most days.

I phoned to find how long the waiting list is. Due to covid its over a year.

I then investigated taking out a loan to go privately. The private wing at the hospital have just told me that due to covid they are not doing any overnight stays for months.

So I will probably lose my job ic I have to wait until a year. And I will be in constant pain. And all due to covid

Thank you @starcat2020

@Aliceandthemarchhare

It might be mindful to bear in mind a woman has posted about her stillborn baby natty and you have accused posters of ‘moaning.’

I've held a woman after telling her she couldn't see her stillborn and I'll live with that memory for the rest of my days. That woman's experience or others who have gone through loss of pregnancy is anything other than the absolute height of cruelty.

It doesn't mean people aren't moaning and it doesnt mean I'm not allowed to point it out.

I have 2 friends who have lost babies due to covid, both of them work in the NHS and have have both told me they are getting attitude from patients and relatives due all sorts of things...all the kind of things people are saying they've gone through. PP said it best: we are all human and a little compassion is all anyone's asking for. My friend shouldn't have to tell all her patients that she wasn't allowed in the ambulance with her newborn in order to have them treat her with an ounce of compassion instead of bitching to her about their missed appts.

Jesus

Coronavirus isn't a flu then?
Go boil your head truth hurts doesn't it? Having a friend who is now terminal as they had to wait 12 months for an urgent referral. Another friend with a catheter in for 12 months so he was pissing blood and is worried he will never be able to have an intimate relationship with his partner again has left me with very little patience for people who play the 'your worries aren't valid cos covid' card.
As someone said up thread you trivialised a woman who had a late stage miscarriage
Get off your high horse and admit we will see many more deaths from the lack of treatment for cancer, diabetes and heart disease let alone the suicides than we ever will from covid.

The pandemic has shown that the NHS is just not fit for purpose. It’s a lumbering antiquated model, completely unable to deal with the demands of our population.

I want choice and responsiveness now, that’s what most of us want too! It is not an organisation set up to provide a service for citizen’s health.

It needs a total overhaul, so our doctors and nurses can work in an environment that enables (not blocks) them to do the job they wanted to do.

It doesn't mean people aren't moaning and it doesnt mean I'm not allowed to point it out.

😵

@Natty13 - totally agree. DH is a GP - worked throughout including a spell working on a Covid ward and dealing with vaccinations for care homes and CV. It’s been the hardest year of his career and they can’t do any more than they are.

Are the ‘back story’ threads still running on here star?
Which one is that mate?

My GP has described eye watering quantities and combinations of painkillers over the last 10 months
That sounds awful as well.

No consistency at all is there?

My mum was due to have an urgent eye appointment at hospital over a year ago that got cancelled because of covid. They’ve only just started doing the appointments again, she had no idea when she’s going to be seen again. In the meantime her eyesight has deteriorated to the point that she may no longer be able to drive soon, and if that happens I’ll have to find her somewhere to live closer to me so that she can become even more reliant on me for everything than she already is. Yay!

The real problem is that the NHS has been horrendously underfunded for the last decade. There aren't the trained staff. You can't magic more trained staff overnight. Basically blame the people who've been voting the Tories in.

I know it's tough but it's finite resources and operating theatres just haven't been available. I had an emergency c-section in jan and the recovery room was a converted store area as the usual recovery area was now a covid ward.

It's going to take years to recover.

I am very grateful for what we have compared to the us pay to use health service where people can't afford healthcare.

YANBU.
I'm sat here at the hospital, waiting to discuss surgery that was urgently needed April 2019 🙄.
The surgeon is running an hour late on his morning clinic so I'm sat outside with a pager.
How is he an hour late already 🤷‍♀️

...you really can't think of a reason why a surgeon might be late for his clinic?

It's such a painful and awful time for so many people. We're all very tired and overwrought and many of us are grieving or traumatised. I don't think that excuses some of the nastiness you see from people in general and on this thread. The line about staff "being busy with the flu" (directed at a poster who has had to make working decisions I suspect most of us thankfully will never have to) was particularly callously cruel I have to say. Lots of people have died and will die due to the NHS being completed overwhelmed by Covid.

I think what people often forget is that this still may probably have been the case if different decisions had been made. There wasn't the capacity to cope with a pandemic and all the NHS did was jump before they were pushed with regards to reducing services.

I think what we all need to remember is that a large scale novel flu pandemic was not unexpected. There was not the capacity for it. The NHS has been flying by the seat of its pants for a long time now and that's due to defunding and dismantling key services within it.

If we want this to change, we need to demand that of politicians and vote differently quite frankly.

drowningnotwaving

Yep, 100% agree non covid deaths will be higher because people weren't seen on time. The blame for that lies with: 1. The govt who have mismanaged this to hell 2. Covid deniers and their mates who have contributed to the spread by ignoring restrictions. I'm sure you'd also be bleating about it if it was all reversed and your loved ones had died of covid because of short staffing.

I am very grateful for what we have compared to the us pay to use health service where people can't afford healthcare.

I’m not. I spent years living in the US. As with anything, you get what you pay for. The NHS is chronically underfunded and was even pre-Covid. One of my conditions for moving back to the UK was that we had private healthcare in place. I have zero faith in the NHS and would happily pay US-style rates (which are often nowhere near as high as people would have you believe) for outstanding service, choice and flexibility.

We've been doing routine surgery since June. Not as much as normal because we don't have the theatre space. As a PP said. It was to free up staff and equipment for ITU. I'm not sure what else they are supposed to do.

Also agree, @DrRamsesEmerson

It seems strange that we didn’t get a functioning NHS either way of dealing with Covid.

1. If we don’t lockdown and stop the spread the NHS will get overwhelmed, which would result in no functioning NHS and probably more cancer, heart deaths lined up

1. Yet if you do lockdown and stop the spread, which we did, and I keep getting told lockdowns work, and we still don’t have a functioning NHS and have lined up more cancer and heart deaths

Puzzling. Same outcome 🤷‍♀️

@Natty13 your attitude to people who have and are suffering is shocking, I'm not sure if it's the burnout talking or it's your normal attitude but as someone who works in a caring profession, you don't sound all that caring!

I have worked on a busy acute medical unit for many many years and yes this is and has been horrific, however, I am also very pissed off at the fact that my DH's 40 (stage 4 terminal cancer) scans and treatments have been delayed during this whole bloody mess. To the point where he is running out of options as the cancer has spread so far. I am pissed off that my wonderful children will get less time with there daddy because decisions out of our control were made.

People can be fed up with about delayed treatment without blaming the frontline workers.

Covid denier lol
What the deaths that have already been revised down you mean.
Show me where they have isolated Covid19 from other coronavirus strains in a medical journal please?
And bleating with that bedside manner I bet your a fantastic medical professional what was you said you did again?
Domestic abuse went through the roof, suicides have gone through the roof,. Individuals can't get treatment and have been living in isolation for over 12 months so will now have a limited immune system but hey that's ok can't critise incase your poor little ego gets offended. However was all good when tiktok dances and freebies were going on.
There are still good medical professionals and I never said this wasn't down to the government I just won't pander to emotional blackmail.

@Natty13

Given ~40% of cases were transmitted in hospitals, do you want to go down that road of not following restrictions / following infection control protocol?

loubieloo4 exactly. My point is that in my experience peoe seems people ARE blaming the ones on the frontline. I could easily NC and make posts about my own health needs or those of my family which have been missed or delayed but I don't because I think rather than being a safe space to share experience these threads always turn into bash the NHS while people's behaviour towards us only gets worse and worse.

Drowning - if the country hadn’t gone into lockdown to protect the numbers of patients needing NHS care, what would you have done - not provided the, in many cases, life saving care against Covid?

@hamstersarse along with genius plan of sending covid positive individuals back into care homes.
Whole thing stinks.
3 weeks to flatten the curve ha
I didn't include attending hospital with someone I care for who needs a knee and hip replacement and the ward being completely empty. No patients at all.