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NocturnalRanting · 13/04/2021 04:25

Apologies for the long post. The really, really long post. But, if you're here and ready for a ride, buckle up.

I've never had a great relationship with my mother. My DF passed away when I was young and it became obvious that he'd protected me from my mother's mental health problems for years.. pretty much straight after he passed, what was my family home became a party house- pretty much every night, every day- drugs, alcohol, you name it. She'd always tell me how much she hates me, that I'll never be like my sister, and would constantly tell me that I'm fat, ugly, whatnot. We weren't allowed to eat in the house, and would have to sit and watch her gorge on tens of pounds of chocolate and sweets, then throw them back up again. I'd have to hide food, or over-eat whilst at school/friend's houses just so I wouldn't need to eat at home. There were many days where she'd be drunk and high, would beat me senseless and then I'd walk the couple of miles it took to get to school because I wouldn't be allowed money for the bus. It's just how life was. Social services were involved but, as per, they were pretty useless. There'd be times where I'd be dealing with paramedics or the police at the house at 5AM because one of us had woken up to find my mother had self harmed, or threatened to kill us. She was placed in mental health facilities numerous times, and I'd walk there from school to see her, then walk home and carry on with school work whilst my brother and sister carried on using the house like a party venue.
I had to grow up pretty quick, and focused on my education. I had nobody backing me, but myself, so yeah, I guess I'm proud of myself for that. Got a job whilst in school, put myself through university twice and now work in the medical field.
I met my (now) DH when I was 18. He supported me through absolutely everything, despite my family being so completely unsupportive. We accidentally got pregnant (medication unknowingly negated our birth control) and miscarried at 4 months. My mother was nowhere to be seen, but called the day after to tell me how she lost three before she had me, so it's 'not that bad'. The day before I left for university, I was beaten by my sister, had my hair ripped out and then had an abusive phonecall from my mother, who called me everything you can imagine- and told me that I'm 'a snobby, spoilt bitch who needs to remember where she came from'. I moved to university with a black eye.
My mother had no interest in my being in university until my final year, where I attended a family funeral and on the way there, she asked what I was studying. She then went on to tell everyone at the funeral that she was so proud of her daughter, who is going to be an English teacher- note, that's not what I told her I was studying for.
Fast forward, and my (then) boyfriend proposed. All of a sudden, my mother wants to be supportive and a part of our lives. Now, my MIL is just a phenomenal woman. She knows what I've been through, and she's seen the cuts, bruises and trauma I've been subjected to, and still she advised me to give my mother a chance so I could at least say that I'd tried. So, I did. Lord knows, I tried everything. I hated my mother during my teenage years because I didn't understand what was going on, but as I've grown older I've understood her story (abusive childhood) and experienced mental health myself, so I get that it's not all her fault. Believe me, I get it.
So, we had an engagement party. She called and said her family had asked if they were invited, so I said sure, why not? This involved her mother, brothers, sisters and their children.. dozens of them. I had some of them messaging me in the run up to the party, telling me they couldn't wait to see us etc., and I felt good about that. Then none of them came. Not a single one.
A family member passed away and my (then) fiancé and I went to the funeral. None of my mother's family even knew his name. My mother's mother then asked when she would be getting her invitation to our wedding, which was in 5 months time, at that time. My mother sat there all 'yeah, when is she getting her invite?'. We talked privately about how I had already made it clear that as none of them had bothered, and didn't even know my husband-to-be's name still, they weren't invited. Case closed.
I got married last year and initially I didn't want my mother there, but things seemed okay for a while, she promised me she wasn't using drugs of any kind anymore, and it felt nice to have some sort of not-negative (I wouldn't exactly say positive) relationship with her. The day after my wedding, she put up a post on social media. Whilst on my honeymoon, one of her brothers went on a rampage on it. Called me out for being a disgusting being, that my mother's mother had a 'right' to be at her granddaughter's wedding. I got called everything you can thing of, from A to Z, to C**T in messages from him, where he also told me that should he ever see me again, I'd be physically assaulted. He blocked me before I even had a chance to defend myself. I called my mother up and asked her to remove the post. She told me that it was my wedding, I was right to choose who I wanted there etc., but refused to remove the post. She then told me that she's got cancer but didn't want to ruin my wedding, which is why she hadn't told me before.

I got a job at the local hospital just after we returned from our honeymoon. Now, we're a year past our wedding. My mother only calls to ask 'have you lost any weight yet?' Or 'are you pregnant yet? I can't wait for you to have a baby, he'll be nanny's boy', or to ask me to chase up appointments/doctors for her cancer. Other than that, she doesn't answer my calls or tell me anything. She doesn't want me at appointments, but wants me to get her them. However, she calls my sister and tells her everything, whilst also telling her that she's not allowed to tell me anything. She asks my sister to go with her (knowing that she can't due to personal reasons).
A couple of weeks back, I had a random, completely unexpected phonecall from her on a Tuesday night, when my husband was at work, where she decided to outright tell me that I was a horrible person as a child, and that she hopes my child doesn't turn out like I did. I don't know what I did, either then or now, to deserve that, but I put the phone down and cried for hours. I couldn't even tell my husband when he returned home.

She called again a couple of days later, and asked if she had bought me a gift when I started university. I said no and asked why. She said she wanted to get my sister a gift as she'd just started university. It upset me that I got a black eye and a load of abuse for going, yet my sister gets flowers and gifts. But, hey ho.

The day before our anniversary, she put up another post on social media- with my wedding photos- and noticed there was a comment on the post, but I couldn't see it. Now, I know it's a complete invasion of privacy, but my mother told me her password for social media because she needed help with it at one point. I logged in, as her, and saw that it was her brother- the one who threatened me last year. He'd put laughing faces all over the post, which I don't understand as I don't get what he'd be getting out of that, but whatever. I thought I'd check in her messages to see if she'd said anything to him- again, I do get that I crossed a boundary by reading her messages, but I wanted to know if she'd stuck up for me, for once. She hadn't. However, there were a number of messages to one of her sisters, apologising for them not being invited to my wedding- further calling me spoilt, hard work and a couple of other colourful things. I just logged out and cried. And cried again.

I haven't said anything to her. I've already cried too much over everything, and I'm not confrontational so don't know how to approach her to tell her that I've seen everything. On top of that, I'm pretty unwell at the moment. I was rushed to hospital two weeks ago and am finding out in the next few days if I need to have surgery. I had a missed call from my mother just on Saturday, so called her back. No answer. Called her again on Sunday morning- no answer. She called me on Sunday afternoon, and we managed to talk for 16 minutes on the phone. I think that's the most she's managed to talk to me in a year. I told her that I'm unwell and awaiting possible surgery, and she was surprisingly motherly- asking if there's anything she can do to help, that she hopes I'm okay and that she's here if I need her at all. Weirdly, it felt like I had a mother for those 16 minutes and I forgot all about how angry I was with her. My husband and I had food with my MIL and DIL, who asked how my mother is doing- despite how much my mother hates them for being so kind to me, they still concern themselves with her welfare and do what they can to support me building a relationship of some sort with her. It felt so good to be able to say for the first time in over a year, that we'd had a good phonecall that afternoon. It made me feel genuine happiness.

THEN. I'm on some strong painkillers that knock me out, so fell asleep for four hours yesterday afternoon. I woke up to 4 missed calls and a message from her asking if I'm OK. I called her back and apologised and said I'd been sleeping. She laughed and said no, I'm at my friends! I said no, 'I' was sleeping? She then asked why I'd called her in the morning and I said I hadn't. She said she had a missed call, and I said that I'd called her the previous morning. She asked why, and I reminded her that we'd spoke that afternoon. She didn't remember. None of it.

I had a phonecall from my sister this evening, who told me my mother had given her permission to use her social media (my sister doesn't have it) to contact my mother's friend about a furniture sale. She said she opened their messages and saw my mother has been taking drugs with this woman, which is the friend she was with during our 16 minute call. Turns out, she was high and that's why she couldn't remember our phonecall. Chances are that she was high when I got that horrid phonecall the other week, too.

I'm so, so incredibly angry. After everything, the fact that she couldn't remember that phonecall is the one thing that's pushed me over the edge, which makes me feel so utterly pathetic. I have so much pent up anger that I feel like I need to just let it all out at her. But if I were to do that, as always I'd be the 'spoilt, horrible bitch' that I'm constantly made out to be by her and her family. Honestly, I don't even know why I'm posting this here.. I guess I just needed somewhere to put it all before I break down.

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numberthirtytwoWindsorGardens · 13/04/2021 07:40

OP, you sound utterly lovely (and very, very impressive). Wishing you a very happy life with good people in it. Flowers

Justilou1 · 13/04/2021 08:11

@NocturnalRanting - Firstly, I would love to send you a great, big, Covid-free hug from Australia. Bloody Disney and American movies have a lot to answer for here, don’t they??? Unless you have grown up with extremely abusive parents - especially abusive mothers (because the bloody mother figure is absolutely sacred in Hollywood!), you just expect that there will be some kind of scene with a big reconciliation or resolution.... BUT if doesn’t happen like that, does it? Reality is that these mothers become nastier and more manipulative as they age. More resentful and meaner, enlisting minions to spread their poison. I nursed my mother for months while she was dying. She had had anorexia and COPD for years and a slow kind of lung cancer which ended up going to her brain. None of it mellowed her. She was a biter and spitter. The only good thing that came out at the end was that she lost her filter and that people saw how she REALLY treated me and spoke to me and about me, so I guess the truth won in the end.
Now for you... I can tell you that children growing up like this almost always develop C-PTSD. It’s almost impossible not to. I can recommend a fabulous YouTube channel to investigate in your own time (best done in private and with headphones).

This woman’s great. She covers lots of subjects, and you can pick and choose relatable ones.

I also HIGHLY recommend getting yourself an EMDR therapist to very quickly “deprogram” you. I have found it to be so very effective and MUCH faster and less painful than talking it all out!

I0NA · 13/04/2021 08:13

You’ve had some excellent advice here OP.

I agree with those who say that your MIL is well meaning but wrong. It’s hard for those who have grown up in healthy families to understand the toxic dynamics in one like yours ( and mine ).

Please please

  1. Go NC and stays NC
  1. Get some counselling. Prepare for this to take months not weeks. You need to prioritise this financially if you possibly can - it will make the biggest difference with the right counsellor.
  1. Read some of the books suggested here and join a self help group online if you can. Stately homes threads are great too.
  1. Id gently suggest that your DONT get pregnant now. It’s going to bring up a lot of very difficult feelings for you and your need some space.

It’s almost impossible to bond to your baby while you are grieving your mother. Because it is grief - finally accepting that she will NEVER be the mother you deserve is very tough.

It’s natural to want a baby - to some how make a new family to replace the dysfunctional one you grew up in. But babies aren’t therapists.

So take some time to heal first, physically and emotionally.

Tiktokersmiracle · 13/04/2021 08:24

Bar the drugs and drink, she sounds like my narc parent. I can't bear to refer to her as mum as she isn't worthy of the title.

I have a younger sibling who she would constantly be with and be lovely to and she would put me down.
The final straw came when she assaulted me then called police and said DP and I had attacked her- we had to go through court and months of upset, and they bailed us as separate defendants so we couldn't go home together- she knew as we lived together I would be homeless. We had to go to court to ask for the bail conditions to be changed, on an assault we never took part in, when I was in agony from her battering me.

I've been n/c from my entire family for over 20 years. I cannot tell you what a breath of fresh air it's been. They are blocked on all social media and they have no idea wherw I live.

Sometimes- like I'm planning my wedding at the moment, makes me sad that I don't have family to invite or plan with, but I don't miss them, just the idea of a supportive family.

I would advise counselling too.

And it's not worth telling her, people like her get enjoyment out of knowing the person they bully is hurt by it. Don't give any of them the satisfaction.

Justilou1 · 13/04/2021 08:27

While I don’t disagree about thinking carefully about having a baby atm, I think that you need to be MUCH clearer with your own boundaries - ie. Telling DH and MIL that you are very clear about your feelings with DM. You know what she is like, you knew it would be like this and you will not be open to any relationship with her or any family members at all. You will not be emotionally blackmailed by any of them. If you are to have a child, they will feel entitled to see them, so you need to make it VERY clear to DH and DMIL that their relationships with your side of the family must cease before any conception is to take place. I think that you would find it harder to be that assertive with DH’s family than with your own, tbh.

Sarahtrue11 · 13/04/2021 08:53

Having had a similiar mother myself, I totally understand you.

Your mother sounds worse than mine,mine never hit me, but she called me fat, stupid, awful, she told me all the time that I was bad like my father, she told me I was mentally ill like my father. She was worse to my brother than she was to me, I spent a lot of my childhod trying to protect him. She hated men so she hurt my brother the worst. He is so mentally ill now because of her that as a 37 year old man he sits at home all day, has no friends, has never had a girlfriend, he doesn't think he deserves them, and says that he has nothing to live for. She was so bad to my father, that I think that she was one of the reasons that my dad killed himself.

I, myself, have a form of PTSD after her, I have severe anxiety, and I jump in fright at a lot of little things, I have night terrors at night. My last boyfriend, went to sleep in a different room, because I constantly jump in fear in my sleep.

I get it, some mothers can be absolutely horrendous. I really extend my sympathy to you. I have also struggled with whether to totally cut off contact with my mother. At the moment I have low contact with her,I too feel guilt as she is elderly and sick, even after all that she did.

I just want to send you so much love. Definitely cut off your uncle. I had a similar uncle, and i totally cut him off. I may feel a bit of obligation to my mum, but no way am i having anything to do with abusive uncles.

Sarahtrue11 · 13/04/2021 08:54

You don't have to be around abusive people, even if they are family.

sparechange · 13/04/2021 08:54

OP, my heart breaks for you.
I had a shitty childhood, but nothing even close to what you've described.

But enough is enough.

No good can come of another moment of contact with this deeply dysfunctional mess of a family. None at all.

You have to go NC and go NC now. You've tried beyond the point of reasonableness, and they are all now playing a twisted game to see how much more you will put up with.

You can't fix them, but you can fix yourself. And you can only do that without all this toxic nastiness, and walking on eggshells waiting for the next call or message from them.

Block their numbers and take a one year social media break. You don't need to delete your accounts, but you need to stop looking at it for your own sanity.

You've done so so amazingly well to overcome your awful childhood and get where you are now. For gods sake don't let them undo it all by driving you to a breakdown now

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 13/04/2021 08:59

OP

Have you had counselling? I really think you need it. Its clear that you still want approval from this vile woman who has continually hurt you your whole life. She fucks up everything and you keep going back for more. I know you have been conditioned to behave like this and it's not your fault, but it's not normal either. You need some counselling to build up the strength to cut her out forever. Cancer is irrelevant.

I dont think your partners parents are helping you actually. You say they are supporting you to try and have a relationship with her but this is clearly not in your best interests and seems to be feeding into the narrative that you are somehow obliged to put up with abuse just because she is your mother. You're not.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 13/04/2021 09:00

And please go no contact and get counselling before you have a baby. I fear they will try and manipulate you more when you are most vulnerable otherwise

Sarahtrue11 · 13/04/2021 09:02

It is amazing all that you have achieved with the mother that you did.

I had a similiar mother, and I don't think I have achieved anything, I am 37, I have never had good friends, I have never been married or had a loving relationship. I have never had a good job.

My mother was so convincing , at convincing me that I was absolutely worthless, that I didn't believe that I deserved any of those things.

I have severe anxiety.
Even simple things, like talking to a receptionist in a hotel, I will barely be able to look them in the eye, and I will shake with nerves. I have a constant exaggerated fight and flight response from my mother, I shake with anxiety and nerves all the time, around everyone.
I also do most things totally alone, as I don't beleive that anyone would like me, that I am a horrendous person.My brother is the same , he does everything totally alone,as my mother convinced him that he was worthless. He thinks no one would ever like him.

Sigh, it is sad really isn't it.

sticktomygun · 13/04/2021 09:10

I also have a narc parent - you have to cut them off.

You have to protect every thing you've worked for, you're doing so well. I'm sorry your family doesn't appreciate you but they're jealous and will never let you be happy.

Cloudhopping · 13/04/2021 09:18

Op, I’m so sorry to read what you’ve been through. You were brought up in an environment of abuse and it sounds like your ‘mother’ was never really a mother. My thoughts are that she will never change and she will never provide what you’re looking for. I completely understand your anger but she’s not worth your energy and will not respond in the way a normal, living parent would.

You sound like a wonderful person and you need to protect yourself from further pain. I think some trauma counselling may be a good idea and may help to give you the strength to cut yourself off from this woman (I’m loath to call her your mother!) You experienced such difficulty growing up, no child should have to go through that.

Cloudhopping · 13/04/2021 09:19

Loving, not living!

queenoffarts22 · 13/04/2021 09:20

So sorry for what you've been through. You sound like such a loving and respectful person and that's to your credit after the terrible start you had in life.

One thing jumped out at me about your post - they keep hurting you because you keep allowing it. If you didn't call your mother she couldn't ignore your calls. If you didn't invite them to things they couldn't disappoint you by not turning up. I really think there has to come a point where you protect yourself and focus on a future without these abusive people. You've tried and tried again but your mother doesn't deserve your kindness and patience. You owe her nothing. It might be a different story if she were making steps to improve but she sounds like she will never change and you will always be hurt and disappointed by her.

Imagine bringing kids into this sort of family dynamic? It would be harmful for them too. Just focus on the family you have who love you would be my advise. Good luck xx

HoppingPavlova · 13/04/2021 10:27

I'm struggling to cope with the idea that if I go NC with her, she'll either self harm (and everyone will say it's my fault) or I'll get the usual 'your mother has cancer, you need to make the most of what time she has left' speech.

It’s likely this is just something you will need to come to terms with in order to move forward. Otherwise you will be locked into the current circle you are in. You can let loose as much as you like with her, tell her how you feel and don’t hold back but it will change nothing, absolutely nothing.

NocturnalRanting · 13/04/2021 13:40

@Sarahtrue11 reading what you've written; it's like reading about myself. I don't have any female friends, I can't build relationships with women at all and outside of my relationship with DH and his family, I struggle to build relationships. Hell, I struggled to build one with DH for the first two/three years because I was toxic- I couldn't trust him, I couldn't build a healthy relationship with him because of myself and would leave him before he had any chance to leave me. But, he's genuinely a phenomenal, resilient person. I let my guard down around him and he really came through. He's helped me to grow and see that my upbringing wasn't normal. I was taught that when you're sad, you cut your wrists; if you get angry, you overdose; if you love someone, you're wasting their time because you're not worthy and they don't love you. However, DH has taught me to have a healthy relationship with myself (to an extent) and how to channel my emotions. The only thing he's not managed to help me with is my relationship with my mother. He does try, but I think he knows it's my weak spot so he tells me at times like this that he supports my decision nomatter what I do. The only thing he's firm with is our children having MC with her, because I've made it clear myself that I won't ever expose my children to her toxicity. I just don't know why I can't protect myself, and I guess there is a lot of guilt there.

I just want to take a second to thank everyone for taking their time to be so kind, and so supportive. I'd reply to all of you but I'd never tear myself away from my phone so I thought I'd respond to the common themes that have come up..

conceiving so basically my husband and I have been trying for the last two years. I know that from the outside it doesn't seem like right now would be a great time, given what you've read in this post, but we're at such a great point in our relationship and employment. I once read that if you wait for the right time to have children, you'll never have them. In myself, I feel ready, despite what I'm going through with my own mother. In addition to that, we have fertility issues so our TTC journey is quite a difficult one and we don't actually know if we'll ever conceive.

Therapy I saw a number of therapists during my teenage years, including CBT, but I always saw female therapists which I think may be a reason I couldn't work with them, rendering the 'therapy ineffective. However, I went to therapy again around two years ago and had a male therapist which completely changed the game for me. I got a lot out of those sessions and they were good for me. I think I may look in to it again, because I know I need it and not only that, I want it. I've worked so hard to get to where I am today, and I never want to jeopardise that. I've started reading a book on toxic parenting and how to channel your emotions from your own childhood experiences, so that you don't reflect those emotions on your future children. I'm learning a lot about self worth and self love, too.

I've got this. Daffodil

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Theoscargoesto · 13/04/2021 13:59

OP none of this is your fault as you have done nothing wrong. Your mother, as I think you see, is abusive, and whilst there may be reasons for that, she is also an adult with free will and she doesn’t have to choose to continue to be abusive.

I am posting because I notice this sort of double bind: your mum is horrid which must somehow be your fault, AND if you call her out, that just confirms how awful you are.....do you see how that means that, in your upbringing you expect that however you approach this, you are in the wrong. Even raising it makes you ‘bad’. But of course that’s not the whole story, but it feels like it to you.

Take some of that amazing strength and wonderful resilience, take your courage in both hands, get some support and therapy and learn how to live your life. You are string and articulate and my goodness you deserve better.

An0n0n0n · 13/04/2021 14:09

It's easy for me to say and I never really advocate cutting someone out but no good will come from keeping her in your life.

I know you don't want to hear that and you need to grieve for the mother you wanted and deserved but she isn't and never will be that person. It's not your fault.

In a few years you will do her still be going through this crap, potentially dragging your own child into it (imagine how awful it would be for a baby to be 'nanny's boy' then shunned for your sisters new baby, or to navigate how to not leave the baby with her for fear of her getting high with the baby around). Anyway, in a few years you will either still be going through this, potentially with a small person in tow or you will be healing and living a better life. Only you can choose. Well done for getting out of your situation, you've beaten stacked odds, you can do the last and hardest bit of cutting contact X

Justilou1 · 13/04/2021 14:30

Your mum sounds so much like mine, @NocturnalRanting - from idolising the younger sibling, to playing you off against others, to the psychological abuse and physical violence. (I had nine broken arms by my tenth birthday, and an eating disorder well in place by the time puberty hit.) The psychological abuse was by far the worst of it. (Shaved eyebrows and hacked hair the day before school photos, etc.) I was trained to never go for help because I was taught that nobody would believe me. She was such a convincing liar - and a bully. By the time I started school, I questioned myself so thoroughly I barely spoke at all. I have a lovely DH and three kids. We're happy. It took a lot of therapy before I settled into a happy relationship, or considered having kids. When my parents died, I relived my childhood trauma and I needed more therapy, despite being quite glad that they're dead. I think I have been grieving the loss of the parents that I didn't have. (Also comparing the love I have - and show - for my kids and wonder how the hell it was so hard for my parents, and why I didn't measure up.). I think you would benefit from the link I sent you above. x

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