Who is BU regarding 17th may rules?

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

Ok so not really unreasonable, more who has it right?

Due to go on a family holiday which was originally booked 2019 for 2020 and then postponed to 2021.

Holiday is booked for after 17th may but before 21st June, in the UK

Family A - Parents
Family B - Adult child, partner and 2 children
Family C - Adult child, partner and 1 child.

The rules state that 2 households can share holiday accommodation so current plan is Family A and Family C are going to stay at the holiday home and Family B will be staying in different accomodation nearby but socialising/eating outside at the holiday home with the two other families, and obviously meeting up for walks/beach/day trips.

All been sorted to everyone's satisfaction.

However, Family A are in a childcare bubble with Family B.

So, due to the childcare bubble would it be legal for the children of family B to stay overnight at the holiday home?

2 families think it's fine, 1 family thinks it's against the law/guidance which will (hopefully!) Be in place from 17th May

Everyone should just stay at the holiday house - in reality nobody will check how many households are there

The family who thinks it's not ok aren't concerned about risk so much as staying within the letter of the law. I was like that when all this started but less so now.

Risk will be fairly minimal as adults in Family A and C will be fully vaccinated by then.

Fair chance that adults in Family B would have had their first dose

The childcare bubble rules are that children can be cared for by the other party but the adults can't socialise. You are supposed to hand over the kids and leave sharpish, so I don't see how it could be allowed to stay in the same house and socialise as one household.

*Of course the other point to note is that we are actually all guessing because the legislation for May doesn't exist yet (and the date is not confirmed either).

One thing that might easily happen is that childcare bubbles cease to exist entirely - after all if 2 households are allowed to mix indoors anyway, there's no need to define a particular instance of this that allows care for children.*

Yes that's a very good point. I hadn't considered that

What the hell is wrong with my bolding today?! 😅

I suppose if family B don’t mind dragging their dc home every night that’s ok....

Even if you share accommodation should Family A and Family C SD in the accommodation?

If you're bubbled you're one household aren't you? So I think it's fine.

I agree with this. I know people say "that doesn't count as a bubble" or "you're not allowed to bubble" but I've been bubbled up with my parents and their children (same age as my children) since it became a thing. It was a valid childcare bubble but we became bubbled for everything else too.

We just treat each other as the same household for all things. So if someone has symptoms, we follow the rules as if someone in our household has symptoms because we are in effect the same household.

I don't really see the problem with it.

If Family A has the virus family B will have it because of the childcare bubble and family C will have it because they're sharing accommodation.

If Family B, who are staying away, have the virus then Family A should also be assumed to potentially have the virus because of the childcare bubble, so Family C are exposed anyway.

The whole point in these rules is to break the chain of transmission between households, which B aren't doing anyway because B has been in the bubble, so what difference does it make if B has contact with C when they are already in a "chain of transmission" because of A?

If you wanted to really follow the SPIRIT of the rules - then A and B should share accommodation and C should stay out of the bubble (but meet outside etc).

Just my two cents (and a whole lot of ABCs )

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

What the hell is wrong with my bolding today?! 😅

You have to bold the start and end of each paragraph/line of text

I'd wait and see what the exact guidance is at the time unless for some reason this has to be decided nopw

Given the fact that if one of you was positive everyone would have to self isolate - the chain of transmission would cover everyone so the risk wouldnt be changed that much by the children staying over

to the letter of the law - probably not

You have to bold the start and end of each paragraph/line of text smile

Thank you!!!

We have a bit of time once the changes are announced on 17th before we have to make final decisions. Think they tend to announce a bit early anyway.

The general consensus seems to be that it's not going to be legally allowed if childcare bubble rules remain as they are, so I'm wrong!

That's a shame. Covid really does suck the fun out of everything doesn't it stupid shitty virus.

Agree with LimaFoxtrotCharlie, you'll be together all day anyway, do your own risk assessment.

I’d stop trying to tie yourself in knots to follow seemingly arbitrary rules.

Who cares at this point. Surely not a big deal when kids will be playing together anyway.

I can't bear the tedious judgement about childcare bubbles only being for work. Obviously once the families are bubbled it's completely irrelevant if they see each other at other times. Total pedantry given pubs will be open by then and large groups mixing.

I couldn’t get worked up about this.

Just all stay in the holiday home

I disagree with those saying just do it as you are not just doing this in your own houses. There will be more individuals staying in one property than was agreed for the rental as well as the additional SD issues.

You will all be mixing during the day so surely it is fine.

I'm fully in the "fuck it, do it anyway" camp, but unfortunately family B aren't. Totally their decision which I understand.

@ineedaholidaynow

Even if you share accommodation should Family A and Family C SD in the accommodation?

We don't know yet. I'm sure I read somewhere that the government were going to "give updated guidance on hugging" or some such nonsense before 17th May.

Social distancing is not a legal requirement, just advice, basically because they couldn't fine everyone who accidentally went withing 2m of someone else at the supermarket or had to go past someone on a narrow path. So it's up the families whether they will decide to SD.

This sounds so painful and such a headache OP. I'm surprised you haven't told them all to 'stuff it'!

A ‘childcare bubble’ is exactly for that - for childcare. Ie to look after the child when the parent is working. It is not for socialising and certainly not for going on holiday with.

But people will do whatever they want to do, will bend/break the rules to suit themselves and will be surprised and will blame others when another wave of this virus hits and the country is locked doen again.