Pregnancy and vaccine passports - discrimination?

[Bluetable]

Surely any rules regarding proof of Covid vaccinations will be discrimination against pregnant women who, on the whole, are advised not to get the vaccine. Someone getting pregnant now wouldn't be able to be vaccinated for nearly a year! Are they to be subject to different rules from everyone else once everyone has been offered the vaccine? Surely there would need to be an exception? I wonder what the plan is in term of getting women vaccinated asap after birth...

This is why I'm so against the passports - they discriminate against the most vulnerable in society, it's not just anti-vaxxers...

Turn that around. Going somewhere, where you know everyone in vaccinated or has a covid free test should make you more comfortable? Why wouldn’t you want that?

I'm 5 weeks away from due date and I'll be getting the vaccine after I have the baby. I'm hoping though if they decide on proof etc of vaccine/negative test etc they will use common sense as I won't want to go get a newborn tested just so I can go for a coffee.

I find it interesting that in the 1980s which was seen as a less caring time, the emphasis was not on every one having to know everyone else's medical status with respect to AIDS.

It's funny how people understood the probly of descrimitation on medical grounds then, but not now.

Eh?

Could AIDS be spread through the general population by breathing? It's completely irrelevant.

No one is discriminating on medical grounds.

@tttigress

The European Medicine Agency has started there is a clear link between the AZ vaccine and blood clots:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clear-link-between-blood-clots-and-astrazeneca-vaccine-q8nvl82p5

My prediction is the government will now finish vaccinating older and at risk people only, which is what they should have done in the first place.

Europe’s drug regulator has denied it has already established a causal connection between the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting syndrome, after a senior official from the agency said there was a link.

In a statement to Agence France-Presse, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Tuesday it had “not yet reached a conclusion and the review is currently ongoing”, adding that it expected to announce its findings on Wednesday or Thursday.

Pregnant women will most likely end up on the exemptions list or maybe have to have a negative test for things like flying abroad. For things like restaurants etc I’m guessing it may be like last summer where places introduced temperature checks. They aren’t going to prevent large groups of people who can’t be vaccinated or who have not yet been vaccinated from spending money in the economy. Odds are most people in their 20s/30s won’t have been vaccinated by the summer.

You can be tested instead. The exemptions will apply to those who haven't or can't be vaccinated and can't be easily tested either and will be a very small number of people.

It is discrimination, and for those saying wy would a pregnant woman take the risk of visiting a place that requires a 'passport' well work reasons spring to mind.
A PP said they were a freelancer at weddings, if you're a pregnant photographer at events you might want to attend to have some money to support the child.
Pregnant women may need to travel for work.

Pregnant women should of course be allowed to access services just as anyone else can. The covid passports prevent that from being the case.
A test takes time to process whereas a vaccine passport is presumably a one-off.
So it is more inconvenient to keep having tests.

These passports discriminate against other groups too, those with some health conditions. It's a very slippery slope and I do not support it at all.

I think this will become a reason for the terminally offended to be up in arms

It's not discrimination if it is proportionate. Disabled people are prevented from doing some things because the risk to others is deemed too great or they sometimes have to make different more awkward arrangements.

It’s advise, you can get vaccinated if you want too. No one is saying pregnant women CANT be vaccinated so therefore it isn’t discrimination.

If it can be based on a test then calling it a ‘passport’ is quite misleading. Because it will presumably just be a case of taking one of the rapid tests on the door if you aren’t vaccinated?

That’ll be fun though, if you’re pregnant or have kids. Going on a shopping trip and having swabs stuck up your nose outside every non-essential shop, then waiting 15 minutes for the result 😂

@2021mumma

I keep thinking this. I am pregnant and planning to breastfeed for a year (I read breastfeeding mums shouldn’t have vaccine either) so I won’t be able to go on holiday or enter restaurants will 2022/2023 this doesn’t seem fair at all!

You need to update yourself with the current guidance, breastfeeding mothers CAN be vaccinated. I had the vaccine when my DD was 2wks old and I'm EBF. I'm thrilled I've had the opportunity to pass some immunity to her and offer her some protection through breastmilk. I don't know anyone who is BF who has refused the vaccine.

Disabled people are prevented from doing some things because the risk to others is deemed too great

Indeed! Blind people are not permitted to drive. Is that discrimination? They have to get the train/public transport. If they were to drive they could kill a lot of people

I’m going to say it one more time for the people at the back who didn’t hear.

NO ONE HAS SUGGESTED THIS WILL BE NEEDED TO ENTER A CAFE, RESTAURANT OR NON-ESSENTIAL SHOP.

So there will be no need to stick a swab up your nose outside a shop.

I feel the same as you.

I'm not pregnant but still breastfeeding my baby who just turned 1. I work for the NHS but my employer won't vaccinate anyone who is breastfeeding.

@Kimye4eva

I’m going to say it one more time for the people at the back who didn’t hear.

NO ONE HAS SUGGESTED THIS WILL BE NEEDED TO ENTER A CAFE, RESTAURANT OR NON-ESSENTIAL SHOP.

So there will be no need to stick a swab up your nose outside a shop.

The BBC article says:

The govt says there will be some setting where covid passports will never be required - including essential shops, public services and public transport.

That sounds like it may well be needed for everything else to me.

To all the termially offended on this thread,
STOP FROTHING AND PLEASE LISTEN to the posters who keep patiently explaining that no one will be excluded from society.
There will be testing for those who can't or won't have a vaccination.

That sounds like it may well be needed for everything else to me.

No doesn't. It means that the possibility of it being needed for "everything else" might be above zero but then again, it might not. It's simply not guaranteed not to be zero.

I’m going to say it one more time for the people at the back who didn’t hear.

NO ONE HAS SUGGESTED THIS WILL BE NEEDED TO ENTER A CAFE, RESTAURANT OR NON-ESSENTIAL SHOP.

So there will be no need to stick a swab up your nose outside a shop.

Not quite. The people at the back have read the news.

The government has confirmed that the vaccine passports will NOT be required:

a) for access to essential retail, essential public services and public transport;
b) for access to non-essential retail and hospitality when those venues re-open on 12 April.

But it has not been ruled out for access to non-essential retail and/or hospitality going forward - in fact it’s being debated as a key way of relaxing SD measures in hospitality venues.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56645208

But will the recent test be free? It's currently around £100 to have a test to travel. So hardly accessible for every pregnant woman to have to pay for a 'recent test' any time they want to do something.

And for those saying 'just don't go anywhere for 9 months', after 12+ months of this, that is just ridiculous while the rest of the country get on with actually enjoying life again, pregnant women should just carry with this life of just existing.

But will the recent test be free?

I believe lateral flow tests are now freely available for everyone. (Or will be soon).

Breastfeeding woman and woman ttc can have either vaccine. Also woman who are pregnant and clinically vulnerable are being vaccinated.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-30-december-2020/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-december-2020#considerationsk

@Hhusky

I hope they consider those TTC. In the last year I've had a stillbirth and a miscarriage so I don't want the vaccine until we know more about it. I'm sure there will be some sort of thing done. I think today they said they would consider letting you have a covid test instead if you have to go somewhere.

I agree with this. I'm starting my 5th try of IVF soon. I've been ttc for coming up 3 1/2 years now and am getting old. If I'm offered the vaccine I'd then need to delay treatment by at least 5 months (once you factor in the second dose) and that to me could mean the difference between a baby and no baby. I'd perhaps just take the one dose, but even then I'd lose precious months.

I'd love the vaccine as I'm a secondary teacher. It's not an easy decision for lots of people. It does sound like testing will be incorporated into the passport system though.

Pubs, restaurants and entertainment venues are likely to go out of
buisiness if we have to continue SD.
Vaccine/neg test passports would mean more people allowed in and profits would go up.

If it helps, my sister is a doctor and between us we know of 5 pregnant doctors who have received the vaccine. I think it will become more commonplace for pregnant women to be offered it.