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AIBU?

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West End musicals

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cosmobrown · 31/03/2021 19:20

AIBU that when you go to the West End, you should expect to see and hear real musicians rather than pre recorded music? I've just heard rumours that Phantom of the Opera is cutting the orchestra down from 28 to 14 because Cameron MacIntosh thinks people don't care about the music aspect of a musical.

AIBU = you don't care about the music
AINBU = there should be live musicians

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PurpleFlower1983 · 31/03/2021 20:33

@Comefromaway

But the music isn’t pre-recorded (apart from very specific bits for specific reasons). The pre-recorded bit in Wicked I mentioned for example is done because it’s a flashback and so as not to give away a plot line).
This is true, depending on the click track it’s sometimes just the vocal, backing vocals or different instruments that are added and the orchestra usually plays along.

It will be interesting to see what the Musician’s Union has to say about it at Phantom though seeing as they’re not moving venue. The argument for Les Mis was that the pit was smaller (which of course was part bullshit!)

PurpleFlower1983 · 31/03/2021 20:34

@Queenoftheashes

Is CamMac now in charge of phantom?
He always had been, he is the producer.
houselikeashed · 31/03/2021 20:41

I think the MU is working on getting CamMac to offer the remaining jobs back to the original musicians the made redundant.

A lot of them haven't had any income or financial support for a year now.

FilMicNH224 · 31/03/2021 20:54

Or is it a social distancing measure?

I work in a professional orchestra. We have not had any social distancing on stage since September. It is perfectly safe to be in a crammed pit/on a crammed stage even with Covid, when appropriate measures are taken. We have had 0 transmission since we went back to playing like this, and it’s almost 100 of us on stage, for 5 days each week, and we wear no masks once on stage.

I’m not in the UK but in mainland Europe, so it’s not like in NZ where this would seem normal. Cases here are high, we’re in a third wave now, but playing without social distancing is safe. After dozens of studies and ££££ spent on new ventilation systems and PCR-testing everyone in the building every 48h.

So it’s nothing to do with Covid, it’s to do with money. Reducing the number of musicians who go on tour has always been normal, as the company needs to adapt to the size of smaller regional theatres.

But cutting down on the number of musicians who would perform the original runs in the West End, is just disgraceful. This will leave many people without their main source of income. This will leave the audience without the real experience of watching a show. Substituting not common, more expensive to employ instruments with a keyboard is already way too popular. These shows and their runners make tonnes of money from high ticket prices and relatively low maintenance costs. There is no reason why they shouldn’t employ the original cast and band required for each show.

1805 · 31/03/2021 21:03

But cutting down on the number of musicians who would perform the original runs in the West End, is just disgraceful. This will leave many people without their main source of income. This will leave the audience without the real experience of watching a show. Substituting not common, more expensive to employ instruments with a keyboard is already way too popular. These shows and their runners make tonnes of money from high ticket prices and relatively low maintenance costs. There is no reason why they shouldn’t employ the original cast and band required for each show.

I agree. Terrible news about Phantom. CamMac should be ashamed of himself.

Phantom1 · 03/04/2021 23:33

Phantom has always had dummies on the stairs in the Masquerade scene.

PurpleMonkeyDishwasher86 · 04/04/2021 04:48

These rumours began a year ago, and nothing has happened with regards to it shrinking. I hope it doesn't. I love Phantom and have seen it a few times, the orchestra is integral, but I'm inclined not to listen to rumours. I'll worry about it when it becomes more certain, if it does.

montysma1 · 04/04/2021 07:53

There have been dummies in Marquerade since the show opened that's not new.

1805 · 04/04/2021 17:33

PurpleMonkeyDishwasher86

The orchestra will not be 28 musicians when it returns. It will be14 I think. And it will not include the musicians made redundant last year.

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