'Most couples may have to use assisted reproduction by 2045’

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amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/28/shanna-swan-fertility-reproduction-count-down

Jesus Christ, is this accurate? It's like The Handmaid's Tale come to life

From what I can gather, it's down to the space between a blokes bollocks and bumhole. Who knew?

Some very daring statements in there and a touch doom mongering if extrapolated:

• A median sperm count of 0 in 2045 means that all baby boys being born now will be effectively infertile.

• If you are currently pregnant with a boy then you may never have biological grandchildren.

• She says the only way to reverse this is to reduce exposure to chemicals, eat unprocessed food etc. There is a highly classist element here since a huge number of people cannot afford to not cook with teflon, avoid the convenient and cost of not using plastic, buy organic food without pesticides, or avoid all food in cans. So anyone who falls in those categories are essentially guilty of causing their own infertility?

What a load of shit.

What, globally?

I find that very unlikely.

I'll read it now.

Just thought as well 'have to' is odd phrasing. Will need to if they want to start a family surely.

'What is the anogenital distance (AGD) and why does it matter?
It is the distance from the anus to the genitals and it is usually far longer in males than females. It is a indicator of how much androgen [male sex hormones including testosterone] an infant was exposed to during early pregnancy. AGD is such an important marker of reproductive health and endocrine disruption – if we measured it for every infant, we would know something about their future fertility. Shorter AGDs in males and longer AGDs in females indicate less reproductive success.'

Is she talking about dick size?

Or where the bollocks etc are?

If women's arses were getting further away from their vaginas it would be pretty obvious
OR
is this why do many clothes designed for women don't actually fit most women??!!

Just googled it.

Women, aresehole to clit.

Quick browse of Google was mainly about rats. The couple studies on women were about endometriosis. Didn't mention adjusting for height? Which would make a difference I'd imagine.

'How dire is the reproductive crisis? You’ve said we are on course for an infertile world by 2045…
It is serious. If you follow the curve from the 2017 sperm-decline meta-analysis, it predicts that by 2045 we will have a median sperm count of zero.'

Yowzers.

Oh it's around that thing a few years back that said women or women looking to conceive should go and live off grid on a remote area and live by foraging if they wanted to avoid risk to baby

'What should we be doing to cut down our exposure?
People of reproductive age, particularly those planning pregnancy or pregnant, should be aware that everything they bring into their home has the potential to contain these chemicals. To the extent possible, eat unprocessed foods – a bunch of carrots, potatoes that you cook yourself – as this should reduce exposure through plastic. Also, when cooking, don’t use Teflon or anything coated and don’t microwave in plastic. For personal care and household products use a minimum of simple products and try to avoid those that are scented; phthalates are added to hold scent. The non-profit Environmental Working Group has free consumer guides that give information about specific products.'

No mention of pollution? Interesting.

Yes phthalates are dodgy and yes they get into us.

However.

No sperm (globally) in 20 years time. ??!!?.

So her aim of reducing dodgy chemicals in our lives is good. There are way more sources than she mentions though. And the extreme statements don't help her IMO.

We are the virus.

Well I guess we don't have to worry too much about climate change if we're all infertile by 2045.

Well the hormones and chemicals in our lives will certainly be having an effect. Things like early puberty in girls, reduces your fertile period. A child may be fertile at 9, but she isn't child bearing until probably 15ish, that's 6 years of eggs wasted. And with the way our society is, she wouldn't be having children at that age. We're constricting our child bearing years between society and unhealthy living.
The effects of humans using hormonal contraceptives can be seen in the males of other species so will certainly be impacting our own.
There's too many of us though so 🤷

Sounds like utter BS.

Yay. Another thing to worry about. Because there arent enough existential threats being talked about at the moment

Shanna Swan is a quack and her work has been discredited. She’s just trying to sell a new book from the looks of it.

2045 sounds extreme but there is probably something in it. I have PCOS so this is an area of (amateur) interest for me - from what I have read exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals in utero as well as the mother’s own hormone levels can have an impact on whether a girl will later develop PCOS so it makes sense there would be a parallel effect on boys.
I watched a documentary ages ago called Stink, I don’t think it’s on Netflix any more unfortunately, but it went into this and was very interesting. I’ve used the EWG website ever since to look up ingredients in cosmetics etc.

Who cares? The planet is over-populated as it is. If it becomes more effort to have children perhaps people will have to think more carefully about it.

It is correct to say more people are needing assisted reproduction. But the principal reason is delaying conception until 40+

Sperm counts have declined but it's a huge extrapolation of say they will be zero, no evidence for that.

It's not sponsored by the soil association and the the vegan society by any chance??? (Actually I read a paper that said the embracing of vegan diets high in soy may be a problem)

If women's arses were getting further away from their vaginas it would be pretty obvious

You only have to look on the "Style and Beauty" section now to see how popular high waste trousers are.

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It is correct to say more people are needing assisted reproduction. But the principal reason is delaying conception until 40+

Sperm counts have declined but it's a huge extrapolation of say they will be zero, no evidence for that.

It's not sponsored by the soil association and the the vegan society by any chance??? (Actually I read a paper that said the embracing of vegan diets high in soy may be a problem)

That would fit with what someone else said about early puberty. You could link the early puberty with wasted eggs and lack of fertility later on in life.

When you do add that more and more people are having fertility treatments due to poor fertility it would be easy to jump to a link of the offspring having higher chances of poor fertility due to all the drugs used in harvesting or bringing on ovulation and the parents eggs/sperm no longer being best quality due to age or even just unknown factors.

'If women's arses were getting further away from their vaginas it would be pretty obvious

You only have to look on the "Style and Beauty" section now to see how popular high waste trousers are.'

Was high waste a typo or intended 🤣🤣🤣

I’m having fertility treatment and started trying to conceive when I’d just turned 30. Found out my DH has a v low sperm count and I have a low egg reserve for my age. So not necessarily about waiting until 40. Most of the women on the infertility boards are under 35!

However I don’t think it’s a problem like she says - literally everyone we know has had a baby or multiple children!!! Most of DH friends are on their 3rd child and they’re all 36. I am the only one out of all my siblings and my 17 cousins who hasn’t been able to have children. So seems unlikely we would go from that to zero ability to reproduce in 24 years.