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Settle an argument for me on the film Seven
Deedeedocket · 28/03/2021 16:54
Watched it last night forgot what a brilliant film it is.
I believe Detective Mills wouldn’t have gone to prison. But would no longer be in the police/ be in a mental health facility.
DS, 18, all seeing all knowing says that yes he would have. He would have been charged with murder. As John Doe was unarmed at the time.
Who is right?
Am I being unreasonable?
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EveryoneHatesKVN · 28/03/2021 17:04
I watched it last night too! He would be charged with murder but could plead loss of control/diminished responsibility which would reduce his charge to manslaughter and that carries anything from suspended sentence to life (but this is English law...don’t know the specifics of American!)
jusdepamplemousse · 28/03/2021 17:05
Unlikely to have been found guilty of murder in the UK - manslaughter by reason of diminished responsibility or provocation. Not necessarily incurring a prison sentence.
US have different offences but not guilty of murder in first degree anyway I should think.
NiceGerbil · 28/03/2021 17:09
Diminished responsibility type thing surely.
Anyway
In the USA they'd have him as a hero not a murderer surely? He stopped a serial killer. Here too as well probably. Temporary imbalance due to extreme circs..
I've not seen the film for ages but he executes him after his wife's head in the box I think my answer is based on that
Nameitychangity · 28/03/2021 17:18
He would have been charged.
And that's the whole point of the set up by John Doe. He wants David to 'become wrath' thereby completing the cycle of the seven deadly sins he has planned so meticulously.
David knows he will be punished but his wrath is so overpowering that he kills John Doe anyway.
John Doe wins the game.
WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 28/03/2021 17:47
He would have been charged for sure but whether he was convicted I'm not too sure. In the UK he probably would be charged with Manslaughter but with diminished responsibility or under extreme provocation. Not too sure how the US Criminal Justice System would handle the charges but well and truly David did the world a favour and got rid of scumbag serial killer I'd be surprised if a jury convicted him and a judge sent him to prison. I reckon he'd lose his job and end up on probation for a few years
ShinyMe · 28/03/2021 18:20
Well, the bloke was unarmed and surrendering, which doesn't count in his favour. But the only witness was Somerset, and he was provoked. I think he would certainly have been tried, and he was certainly guilty of something, but whether he'd go to prison... I'm not so sure.
Suzi888 · 28/03/2021 18:26
@Nameitychangity
And that's the whole point of the set up by John Doe. He wants David to 'become wrath' thereby completing the cycle of the seven deadly sins he has planned so meticulously.
David knows he will be punished but his wrath is so overpowering that he kills John Doe anyway.
John Doe wins the game.
^^ agree
wondering why people had said they hadn't seen it!SmidgenofaPigeon · 28/03/2021 18:49
I thought there was a really fleeting shot of her head all bloody in the box, like you see blood-clumped blonde hair? My mind obviously just filled that in for me 
All through the film, you only ever see Gwynnie’s character from the head and shoulders up, as a foreshadow to what is to come 
It’s a brilliant film.
AcornAutumn · 28/03/2021 19:08
@Nameitychangity
And that's the whole point of the set up by John Doe. He wants David to 'become wrath' thereby completing the cycle of the seven deadly sins he has planned so meticulously.
David knows he will be punished but his wrath is so overpowering that he kills John Doe anyway.
John Doe wins the game.
Yes
He'd be charged but possibly not guilty by reason of insanity?
Or diminished responsibility, whatever the equivalent is in the US?
Very clever film. Very disturbing though. You might also be interested in Zodiac but those murders are real so perhaps harder to stomach.
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