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Landlady keeps sending round useless tradespeople. I haven't got a leg to stand on, have I?

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PerspicaciousGreen · 27/03/2021 16:48

We've recently renewed our rental contract for a third year. It's a nice house in a nice area at a good price. I think we're good tenants - clean, quiet, inform landlady of problems in good time. We are the first tenants in the property - it used to be her family home before she had to move to another city for work.

We've had a few maintenance issues and I am getting increasingly pissed off with our landlady's response. I assume I haven't got a right to complain as it's her house and if we don't like it we can move, but I'd love to be told I'm wrong!

  1. We had a leak in the gable roof in our bedroom when it rains heavily. Water was dripping off the curtain rail. We had to put towels on the floor. She tells us if we're having condensation problems we should be sure to open the windows. She sends round Mr Handyman who puts some silicone sealant around the inside frame. Surprise surprise, it rains again, it leaks again. We send a video of water coming from the ceiling. Mr Handyman comes round and fiddles about with the outside window frame. Surprise surprise, it leaks again. Finally he comes round and discovers missing tile on the roof! Replaces it, problem solved.
  1. Our shower starts turning randomly hot and cold. She asks us if we've been fiddling with the settings on the boiler. Mr Handyman comes round. In various attempts he replaced various parts of the shower. Eventually replaces the thermostatic detector whatnot and it finally works again.
  1. We now have a leak from the cistern inflow pipe in the downstairs loo. She asks if the water is coming from the upstairs bathroom down the wall. We say no. Also tells us not to flush anything but loo roll down the loo. Duh. Mr Handyman replaces the silicone sealant around the shower upstairs. Then puts some around the base of the loo. Then tightens the inflow nut. It's still leaking.

To cap it all off, she's got a bee in her bonnet that we don't answer the phone immediately every time. No, we don't. I've told her it's hard for us to answer the phone during the day. But she stills calls us with the plumber waiting round the corner to ask if he can come round now.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking that:

  1. She needs to listen to what we say is the problem and not tell us off for doing unrelated things we haven't done.
  2. Her handyman is shit and it's not fair for us to have to put up with these endless visits (he's always late too!) which never address the actual problem.

Or is this just life renting privately? I know it's her house, but it makes us very reluctant to report any problems when we know they won't be fixed - not through inaction but through uselessness!

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MarieDelaere · 27/03/2021 16:57

I know the tenants who live in the house next door to me are sick of this nonsense too. They have finally complained to the Council and demanded an inspection (due to the new electrical regs they came out), and the Council officers have enforced a lot of work. A lot.

New roof, new electrics, new felting on the extension and bay - and it all had to be done with authorisation from the Council, so full scaffolding and fully insured and licensed tradespeople are required.

The landlord had plenty of warning but was too tight and too distant to deal with his legal responsibilities, while trousering a lot of rent per month.

PerspicaciousGreen · 27/03/2021 17:32

Thing is, it's a nice house and generally in good nick. She's not a shitty landlady. It's just that every time something DOES go wrong, she leaps to conclusions about what's wrong and what we're doing without stopping to actually read the email. Clearly passes on wrong info to Mr Handyman-of-the-moment who (understandably, as she's paying him) follows her instructions and won't do "unauthorised work" (i.e. fix the actual problem). It does get fixed, which is why I think probably IABU, it just could be fixed first time most times if she didn't have: a) such an attitude and b) such a shitty series of tradespeople.

I presume she ends up paying as much for Mr Shitty Handyman to come out four or five times as she would for a proper company to come out once.

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murbblurb · 27/03/2021 17:38

unfortunately a gormless disorganised landlady with the reading comprehension of a gnat isn't in the legislation. Lots of other stuff is, though. See what your how to rent guide has to say on leaks - I see that most have eventually been fixed but what a lot of hassle.

as for the phone - screen her to voicemail and call back at your convenience. Personally I'm very grateful when tenants communicate at all...

MarieDelaere · 27/03/2021 17:48

@OP, Do you have your up-to-date (annual) certificates for electrical checks, gas safety checks, boiler etc?

A 'handyperson' simply isn't qualified to do these.

ScaredOfDinosaurs · 27/03/2021 19:37

The gas safety thing is extremely serious. It is illegal for anyone who is not qualified to touch your boiler. For very, very good reason.

Anyone who is qualified will be on the gas safe register online. Any work they do, you should get paperwork with a reference number which again, you can and should check online.

Take a look at their website, urgently.

Kn1ghtSky · 27/03/2021 19:49

Electrical safety checks are every 5 years
Gas yearly

PerspicaciousGreen · 27/03/2021 19:52

She has a proper company who does the boiler and gas stuff. Don't worry! As someone said upthread, it's not illegal to be a bit useless.... sigh...

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Graphista · 27/03/2021 19:55

Is "mr handyman" the same person or different people?

Some of the jobs you mentioned as a landlord she is legally required to employ people to fix them who are licensed and regulated in certain ways If she hasn't done this then she can get in a lot of trouble and face large fines or worse

It sounds like it Is one man she is sending around - highly unlikely he is legally licensed and regulated for certain jobs as he should be

I would recommend speaking to shelter and your local council - they will know the regulations in your area, the council will also know of any previous complaints about the landlord or the handyman (you only have her word that you're her first tenants)

Personally I think landlord should be a protected, licensed and regulated profession. Time and again it's "accidental" landlords that are the worst!

I presume she ends up paying as much for Mr Shitty Handyman to come out four or five times as she would for a proper company to come out once.

You're likely right there, making her stupid as well as neglectful

It is illegal to not maintain a rented property appropriately and correctly though.

Cherrysoup · 27/03/2021 19:57

Have you had the gas safety and electrical certificates done? They need qualified people. If anything goes wrong with my rentals, I send round someone qualified. Because my tenant has lived there for 6 years, we came to an arrangement of if he can fix it (he’s a plasterer/tiler), he fixes it, we send him the money once we’ve seen pictures. It means stuff is repaired at his convenience. It might be a little unusual, but it suits him better. I know you shouldn’t have to, but I’d rather keep my tenants happy by allowing them to organise necessary repairs/tradesmen. Could you suggest that to the ll?

What’s this madness that she gets annoyed if you don’t immediately answer the phone?! You have lives! It’s not a summons, it’s a call.

MarieDelaere · 27/03/2021 19:58

So you've got this certificate from post June 2020?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-safety-standards-in-the-private-rented-sector-guidance-for-landlords-tenants-and-local-authorities/guide-for-landlords-electrical-safety-standards-in-the-private-rented-sector

Even so, a 'handyman' shouldn't be dicking about with your electric shower or looking at your boiler.

'Handypersons' are for very minor paint jobs and not a lot else.

I feel for you - this is rubbish.

Newchances · 27/03/2021 20:19

I understand it can be shitty and at times it takes a particular tradesperson to complete a job but sometimes "handymen" can do it.

Im sure loads of people on here try do things themselves/have a "go to man" to fix minor problems before paying for a professional. I know when I rented in the past I had no ceiling in the kitchen for about 6 months as the plumber couldn't work out where the leak was coming from!

GreenlandTheMovie · 27/03/2021 20:42

I don't think thats too bad. You've had all the problems fixed except the most recent. Sometimes it can be easier to get a handyman who's familiar with the property to fix problems and sometimes actual plumbers, heating engineers, etc don't fix it at all first or second or third time.

The roof leak has been fixed, the central heating fault fixed - I don't see what a specialist roofer or gas central heating engineer would have done differently. Surely you don't need a special qualification for gas work unless it actually involves connecting the gas.

cansu · 27/03/2021 21:15

this is sadly typical. The landlord does not want to spend any money on the property so everything that needs repairing must be the tenants fault.
I remember a rental where the shower head was insecure and fell several times knocking my ds hard on the head. It was worn and dangerous. Landlord said if I didn't like it I could change it. We lived in the house for seven years; they refused to decorate or change anything. If anything went wrong, the bloke would turn up and tinker or send one of his mates. Massive pain.

MarieDelaere · 27/03/2021 21:31

Surely you don't need a special qualification for gas work

I know what you mean - but in terms of renting, Government legislation and Council Housing Standards Depts' regulations are extremely strict and very clear on this, so it's very easily checkable what's allowed and what isn't.

Plumbers for example literally won't touch a boiler unless they're also a certified, fully insured heating engineer, or they'd be breaking the law.

Dicking around with electrics is also a no-no if a person is acting on behalf of a landlord and isn't fully qualified and certified. The exact situation around legality for a particular job can be checked out by ringing local Housing Standards.

It's just the law

MarieDelaere · 27/03/2021 21:34

OP, I think need to tell the landlady what you want to happen as your first contact, not what the issue is.

E.g. 'we need a qualified electrician to fix the shower'.

Short and sweet, so she can't misinterpret it.

Newchances · 28/03/2021 07:47

So everyone here gets a qualified person anytime something breaks,that comes instantly and fixed the problem first time? That's fantastic.

I own my property,I would always try myself,if that doesn't work ask someone who's handy and lastly call the tradesperson (electricity and gas being the exception). For example it Doesn't take a joiner to fix a kitchen cupboard door back on hinges

cansu · 28/03/2021 11:13

Newchapel
Being a landlord is quite different. You have a responsibility to your tenants. You might decide a bodge is ok or that you will wait unt you can afford it or until the handyman can fit you in. This isn't ok with a tenant. My fence has own down. I will wait a couple of weeks until handyman can fit me in. Tenants would probably expect it sorted quicker. They would certainly expect it to be fixed properly first time and don't want it implied it is somehow their fat everyone there is a problem.

murbblurb · 28/03/2021 11:19

Yes you DO need a special qualification for gas work in the UK, even in a mortgaged property.

There are also limits on what electrical work non-qualified people can do, even in a mortgaged property.

People blubber when there is no regulation,moan when there is.

Graphista · 28/03/2021 13:30

Surely you don't need a special qualification for gas work unless it actually involves connecting the gas

Legal requirement for ALL rental properties and has been to the best of my knowledge for over 20 years. Reason being cocking it up can be fatal!

@Newchances you also need to check on the law regarding owned properties as in recent years these laws have started to apply to them more and more too and if breached and an issue occurs can invalidate insurance. My parents (owners) complain about the costs but recognise its for their safety. (They can easily afford it, they just like to moan)

It's been all over the news about owners being stung over costs of removing flammable cladding (in the wake of grenfell) that's a bit more of a complex issue as in most cases it wasn't the choice of the owners but the developers.

VeganVeal · 28/03/2021 13:48

Landlady keeps sending round useless tradespeople. I haven't got a leg to stand on, have I?

Shes not been employing those budget surgeons again has she?

Kn1ghtSky · 28/03/2021 13:56

Of course you employ someone qualified to investigate electrics & gas
Because if a person works on something incorrectly & someone dies, they are liable
Proper trades people keep their qualifications updated & their public liability insurance updated

Anything else is unhealthy

Kn1ghtSky · 28/03/2021 13:58

I know of a story that was in the news
An ex gas engineer did some work, when he was retired
He killed someone, with his poor work
It happens !

Newchances · 28/03/2021 19:42

@Graphista

Surely you don't need a special qualification for gas work unless it actually involves connecting the gas

Legal requirement for ALL rental properties and has been to the best of my knowledge for over 20 years. Reason being cocking it up can be fatal!

@Newchances you also need to check on the law regarding owned properties as in recent years these laws have started to apply to them more and more too and if breached and an issue occurs can invalidate insurance. My parents (owners) complain about the costs but recognise its for their safety. (They can easily afford it, they just like to moan)

It's been all over the news about owners being stung over costs of removing flammable cladding (in the wake of grenfell) that's a bit more of a complex issue as in most cases it wasn't the choice of the owners but the developers.

I don't do my own electrics or gas...but bits and pieces can be done by anyone...
Graphista · 30/03/2021 09:22

@Newchances depends on what the "bits and pieces" are

Op mentioned the shower - that involves water and electrics and possibly gas too depending on setup nobody unqualified should be messing with that!

Similar to @Kn1ghtSky I remember reading a news article a few years back of someone who considered themselves capable fixing their own shower, cocked it up and their wife ended up electrocuted and died.

There are now regulations covering most areas of home maintenance for renters (of which I've been all my adult life) so there is very little now that legally can be done by a basic/Jack of all trades handyman

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