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Would you report a 12 year old unattended on a train?

300 replies

GloGirl · 22/03/2021 00:09

If you saw two 12 year olds on a train without a grown up would you report it?

"Any adults who saw two 12-year-olds getting off a train on their own should have questioned that."

YABU - call the police!
YANBU - no, I wouldn't

BBC News - Missing Balloch schoolgirls spent night locked inside train
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-56476935

Really weird story.

OP posts:
IHaveBrilloHair · 23/03/2021 10:21

Its really weird that no one heard if they banged on windows, especially as there's currently work being done on the passenger bridge there day and night.
Its also well known that kids drinking from about that age on the trains and around the station are a pita and have been since well before Covid, we've had kids from other areas loads of times, these girls would have known it too.

RaindropsSplashRainbows · 23/03/2021 10:25

This sounds like what my secondary school aged kid said happened in his school..kid did stupid dangerous thing , parents entirely blamed teacher.

icdtap · 23/03/2021 10:56

I think the member of staff who turned them away at the ticket barriers in Glasgow needs to explain themselves, but there's a huge difference to how you react to two scared and bewildered 10 yos (which is what was first recorded) and two cheeky 12 yos (which sounds like what might have happened)

Why should they have to explain themselves? Two 12 yos show up at the barrier without a ticket. The ticket inspector says, "Sorry, you can't board the train without a valid ticket. Please go and buy one from the machine". Girls go off and instead of buying a ticket hang around until they can sneak onto another train without a ticket.
The ticket inspector isn't going to ask every single person approaching the barrier without a ticket why they haven't got one, if they need help, if they have enough money etcetc.
If the girls had been crying or seemed worried or come back with "We've got no money - purse was stolen" or something which seemed like a genuine reason then the ticket inspector probably would have helped or directed them to someone who could help.
But if they just ran off laughing or whatever, the person probably just assumed there was no problem and they were just kids trying their luck.

DdraigGoch · 23/03/2021 13:06

The barriers situation depends on context really. None of us know what was said in full.

CandyLeBonBon · 23/03/2021 13:09

Bearing in mind train travel is a renowned transport option for county lines drug trafficking, and this age group is a core target for drug gangs, I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned. It would certainly make me wonder, bearing in mind what I know now.

WoolieLiberal · 23/03/2021 13:16

No. I used to get the train by myself when I was 12.

WoolieLiberal · 23/03/2021 13:16

and so did DD’s, though that was with friends.

DdraigGoch · 23/03/2021 13:20

@CandyLeBonBon

Bearing in mind train travel is a renowned transport option for county lines drug trafficking, and this age group is a core target for drug gangs, I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned. It would certainly make me wonder, bearing in mind what I know now.
Indeed it is. That's why staff can't just let ticketless children board trains out of pity. If a child is involved in county lines or merely running away from home, staff can't just aid them in that. In that sort of situation, the parents would be contacted to come and collect them or else British Transport Police would become involved.

Obviously I'm referring to staffed stations here. Abandoning vulnerable people at unstaffed stations is a massive no-no so you have no choice but to let them travel.

SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 23/03/2021 13:44

The barriers situation depends on context really. None of us know what was said in full.

Well given that the wee dears have lied their arses off about the rest of it, I wouldn’t necessarily be taking their version of events as gospel...

Ploughingthrough · 23/03/2021 13:50

I wouldn't bat an eyelid at two 12 year olds together on a train. That story is bizarre and doesnt add up.

Viviennemary · 23/03/2021 13:54

CCTV has apparently confirmed the train was checked twice. They hid from staff and had no tickets.

Cookerhood · 23/03/2021 13:57

@Viviennemary

CCTV has apparently confirmed the train was checked twice. They hid from staff and had no tickets.
Yes, that's linked in the newspaper article a few posts up.
GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 23/03/2021 15:42

Wow! I have an 11 and 12 year old and I’d furious if either did this.

AuntyMabelandPippin · 23/03/2021 15:54

I know a lot of children come from Balloch/Dumbarton to Helensburgh to go in the park and drink. I'm not saying this is what happened here, but it's a regular occurrence and causes a lot of problems locally.

There are cleaners come onto the trains once they're stationery for the night. Don't quite know how they'd be missed.

CorianderBee · 23/03/2021 21:29

... no? Kids use the train to get to school all the time.

IHaveBrilloHair · 23/03/2021 21:42

Exactly AuntyMabel
There's been so much damage done to the park, and the train station is well known for kids being awful, as is the Co-Op car park next to it.
I've experienced that, I was driving through one day a couple of years ago and suddenly a young teen boy banged on my window.
He was laughing, I got such a fright and slammed on the brakes.
I did report it to the police, but really I had no information that was useful and they are well aware.

Graphista · 23/03/2021 23:08

This is my neck of the woods

Aye right they weren't hiding!

This route used to be my regular commute, I did once fall asleep myself after an especially hectic day at work and following a bad night with dd (nightmares) and was woken in Helensburgh  by the driver clearing the train, had to get a very expensive taxi home! Blush

It's a quiet train/route normally but they do check them quite thoroughly and I reckon the girls were stupidly hiding in order to avoid getting in bother over the lack of tickets! The layout of the trains means there are several places they could have been hiding and they could have moved about too and so moved from an unchecked location to one the driver considered checked there's only so much a driver can do

Mother is attempting to misdirect the blame.

My dd often on trains at that age here as were her friends and they would have known better than to muck about and hide!

Stupid wee girls!

If Dd had done this she'd have had a massive bollocking and been grounded for a month! Not least for putting me through all that worry! And for treating trains like toys!

In answer to your question op, no I wouldn't have reported 2 girls of this age for being on a train alone especially this locale/route quite a lot of kids of this age are on the trains as they're more reliable than the buses and not just for school but going to relatives etc too and no it hasn't particularly quietened due to Covid!

The last train isn't that late, around 10 Ish, so if they also looked older nobody would have batted an eye

Only person to blame is the kids

Nope! Parenting too, they shouldn't have even been out mixing should they?

I've no idea if Helensburgh services are driver only operation

They often are

The stations at this end (balloch end) are unmanned mostly, glasgow end is much more well monitored I'm surprised they weren't caught out that end - which suggests to me they're probably pretty streetwise, cocky and gobby! There's plenty transport police that end too and they don't muck about!

It’s fine got the girls not to have phones but surely there would be some internal alarm that could be triggered?

Well spotted, yes there is but if they didn't pull it until the station was closed nobody would know, this station isn't close to residences

but no I don't think it reasonable to expect them to look for hidden youngsters!

Neither do I and I think these 2 were deliberately being quite sneaky

The other girl's family is very quiet, I bet she is grounded and hearing, "I told you not to hang around with Amy"

Yep!

I’m assuming girls were upset

Haha! I'm not! I'm assuming they gobbed off to staff and were generally cheeky

I think that's too late for 12yr old children to be out

I agree but a lot of parents don't unfortunately

I bet people in the town who know the mum are rolling their eyes at this...

To say the least

As for them "hanging around together", aren't the rules different in Scotland for kids? yes they're stricter! Supposedly

And if they were wearing masks, I'd have struggled to work out that they were 12. good point

@BlokeHereInPeace yep sounds pretty accurate to me. It's only a matter of time until someone ends up seriously injured/ill or even dead and the parents are doing sod all!

Ah truth telling trolls

Slapping her about the coupon with the wet kipper of reality

Grin

but you'd really have to be trying hard to do it

I reckon it wasn't their first time, also likely they have been tipped off by others who've done similar as to where/how to hide!

but I’m a bit surprised that a trawl of Glasgow central’s CCTV did catch them going back through for the Dumbarton train, leading to a search of that train at Helensburgh well before the following morning

Well for starters it would be queen street! For another it's not a quick or simple thing to check cctv especially as the parents apparently didn't know they were on the train and the ticket barrier workers won't have known when they dealt with them probably as they're chasing kids off from jumping the turnstiles all day!

fare dodging pair perhaps had form pretty likely

CCTV has been reviewed and it turns out that staff did check the train twice. Looks like the girls were well hidden then.

Not at all surprised by this!

Situations like this are exactly why parents should be held accountable for their kids actions at least until the kids are old enough legally to be punished by the state.

These parents should get a fine at the very least

Cocomarine · 23/03/2021 23:34

but I’m a bit surprised that a trawl of Glasgow central’s CCTV did catch them going back through for the Dumbarton train, leading to a search of that train at Helensburgh well before the following morning

  • Well for starters it would be queen street! For another it's not a quick or simple thing to check cctv especially as the parents apparently didn't know they were on the train and the ticket barrier workers won't have known when they dealt with them probably as they're chasing kids off from jumping the turnstiles all day!

Ah, that’s me you’re quoting there I think! I got Glasgow Central from one of the newspaper reports I think - or perhaps it said they went to central Glasgow and I assumed 🙂

It seemed to me that the reports from friends narrowed it down to a few hours, and that knowing the direction back would have made it a specific set of cameras to trawl. Not fast, but in the case of 2 missing young girls, something I thought would happen urgently and through the night.

But the fact it might not have was why I said I expect the fare dodgers had plenty of form!!!

The local knowledge on this thread is really interesting, thanks 👍🏻

LegAndSparkle · 24/03/2021 00:01

Bizarre response from the mother. Why is it for other people to raise her children?

FireflyRainbow · 24/03/2021 00:07

Umm no.

IHaveBrilloHair · 24/03/2021 00:27

I wondered about Glasgow Central too as those trains go into Queen Street low level, but since I've not used them in a couple of years I thought they'd maybe changed due to Covid.

IHaveBrilloHair · 24/03/2021 00:45

Actually I'm not sure about now, but the last train used to be around 12, as I'd get it home if I'd been to a concert at the hydro.

Anyway, that's irrelevant really, its not hard to figure out the girls and the parents.
The one who has had her name not mentioned publicly will still be known all over Balloch and the punishment of going to school will be bad enough.

StoneofDestiny · 24/03/2021 00:47

Hell no - I travelled across a major city on two separate buses alone just to get to school every day.

StoneofDestiny · 24/03/2021 00:54

Mother is a class one idiot. She needs to blame the kids. Like hell they fell asleep on the train!

GrandTheftWalrus · 24/03/2021 09:09

@IHaveBrilloHair

Actually I'm not sure about now, but the last train used to be around 12, as I'd get it home if I'd been to a concert at the hydro.

Anyway, that's irrelevant really, its not hard to figure out the girls and the parents.
The one who has had her name not mentioned publicly will still be known all over Balloch and the punishment of going to school will be bad enough.

It was 12 on a Friday. Just now with covid depending on where you are going from exhibition centre the last train can be as early at 8.39pm.

I work in that area so know the train times well lol.

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