To not understand how there isn’t public uproar about this

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1395481/car-tax-changes-update-pay-per-mile-family-road-costs-fairfuel-exclusive/amp

I’ve posted this on a couple of FB groups I’m on and get very little response. Do people not realise the impact this is going to have?!
It’ll certainly price me off the road!!

Im in favour of anything that reduces car use

After the events of the last 12 months, frankly, nothing can surprise me any more. In fact, I firmly believe that, if the government appointed a "minister of absolute bat-s**t-craziness" who went on TV and announced that tomorrow, in order to avoid being killed by Taffy the turquoise unicorn, everyone must dress in an emu costume and assemble at their local Sainsburys and goose-step round the carpark yelling "Neek! Neek! Spliffy squidgy jaffa cake!" at the top of their voices, 95% of the population would not only do it, but would report anyone who failed to.

Lots of the newest cars especially city models are self charging hybrids. Give it five years for them to be out of warranty (is cheaper to buy) and in the used car market and emissions will be down considerably without browbeating people into using crap expensive public transport or cycling 20 miles to work and back.

Pay per mile makes sense. We need people to use their cars less.

@AlexaShutUp

Pay per mile makes sense. We need people to use their cars less.

@AlexaShutUp not for everyone it doesn't. How exactly would you like me to care for your housebound rural relative if I am having to pay per mile I drive to get to them. On minimum wage. Or should we be making the disabled pay for it??? 🙄😡

@DogsAreShit self charging hybrids are petrol run cars and not electric as they are not plug ins. They are powered by petrol, they are fossil fuel cars so they emit carbon like all other petrol cars. They will devaluate the closer we get to 2030 where the ban of non electric new cars will kick in and demand for EVs increase. Self charging hybrids are not zero emissions cars and therefore will be banned from being sold here. They are just another fossil fuel car with a fancy label on them and big price tag to con people.

And before anyone jumps on me saying that EVs are powered by fossil fuels, I say no that’s not completely true:

1. Because the grid is a mixture of different sources of energy which includes renewable sources. I’ve attached the current energy usage that we as a nation are using atm.you can download the app to track it through the day.
2. Running an EV car has the ability to be 100% green if you have solar panels or source your energy from a green energy provider like octopus energy. A petrol car can never get its energy from green sources as its powered only by fossil fuels.

Forgot to attach the current grid carbon emissions.

I’ve posted this on a couple of FB groups I’m on and get very little response.

That's reassuring, perhaps the lack of critical thinking skill in the UK isn't as bad as I feared.

Do people not realise the impact this is going to have?!

I imagine they realise exactly how much impact this story will have and that's why they are ignoring it.

It’ll certainly price me off the road!!

I wouldn't worry. No one is suggesting paying per exclamation mark.

What confuses me most is that this is a Daily Express article which doesn't mention what Princess Diana would have thought of the fictional new tax. Have they changed their editorial policy?

Dh works an hour a way by car. I don't even think he could get there on public transport. I can do my journey in 40 minutes. It would take about 3h on public transport. There are loads of places where you have to drive to get to work. Public transport out of cities is shit. The last bus home from our nearest city at 930pm. And it's almost an hour to get home. 20 minutes in the car.

[quote CovidHalloween]@DogsAreShit self charging hybrids are petrol run cars and not electric as they are not plug ins. They are powered by petrol, they are fossil fuel cars so they emit carbon like all other petrol cars. They will devaluate the closer we get to 2030 where the ban of non electric new cars will kick in and demand for EVs increase. Self charging hybrids are not zero emissions cars and therefore will be banned from being sold here. They are just another fossil fuel car with a fancy label on them and big price tag to con people.

And before anyone jumps on me saying that EVs are powered by fossil fuels, I say no that’s not completely true:

1. Because the grid is a mixture of different sources of energy which includes renewable sources. I’ve attached the current energy usage that we as a nation are using atm.you can download the app to track it through the day.
2. Running an EV car has the ability to be 100% green if you have solar panels or source your energy from a green energy provider like octopus energy. A petrol car can never get its energy from green sources as its powered only by fossil fuels.[/quote]

@CovidHalloween we will not be stopping production of petrol cars anytime soon. Your a fool to believe we will. We are a hell of a long way off being able to rely on electric vehicles. 1)The national grid won't cope 2) insufficient rapid charge points 3) charge points too slow - think difference in putting petrol in tank to even fastest charge points. 4) millions of households don't have driveways or even dedicated parking spaces. How are they going to charge their cars

This will not be sorted in the next decade. It just won't happen

This has been raised a few times over the last few years.

It wouldn't work and you couldn't police it.

The article I read which I think was in fleet news suggested that it would be calculated after the MOT proved how many miles had been completed And paid in arrears But what if you change cars mid year? What if you share a car? What about family trips in your car, who foots the bill? We have used the method we do now for a long time and it makes sense. It's the governments fault for incentivising low emission cars (which weren't low emission and most cars fitted within the brackets) and being shocked when they didn't have money coming in anymore. They've done the same taxing the bollocks off company cars and being shocked when people get personal leases.

Although an increase in fuel duty wouldn't surprise me (increased VED on EVs would be fairer) I can't see even a Labour government adding a tax that is 1/5th of an average salary on every driver.

It's The Daily Express. They sensationalise everything. Including the weather forecast.

@covidhalloween

"Running an EV car has the ability to be 100% green"

I suggest you look at the environmental damage caused by the mining of rare earth minerals.

This has been mooted before maybe 10 years ago, but didn't actually happen. DH used to have 100 mile round trip commute and it would have crippled us.

@CovidHalloween and tyre emissions from carting around the batteries of these beasts

Cars are a funny thing.

Arguably one of the worst things we've invented. But we're very attached to them so we ignore it.

WHO:

'Key facts
Approximately 1.35 million people die each year as a result of road traffic crashes.
The2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development has set an ambitious target of halving the global number of deaths and injuries from road traffic crashes by 2020.
Road traffic crashes cost most countries 3% of their gross domestic product.
More than half of all road traffic deaths are among vulnerable road users: pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.
93% of the world's fatalities on the roads occur in low- and middle-income countries, even though these countries have approximately 60% of the world's vehicles.
Road traffic injuries are the leading cause of death for children and young adults aged 5-29 years.'

@Givemeabreak88

I don’t drive so I don’t care

Public transport costs would increase too.

Things still need paying for and if there is no more carbon fuel duty it has to be raised from something else. Governments tax things that will raise most revenue, ie things people do not wish to give up.