Covid poll

[BonnieDundee]

Those of you who are pro lockdown/masks/ social distancing would you be happy with this?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1409787/coronavirus-news-social-distancing-mask-rules-end-imperial

YABU yes. However long it takes
YANBU no way. It cant go on that long

Social distancing in terms of generally giving people space in supermarkets etc is fine, and just polite tbh.
If it means keeping distance from everyone for years it is just a pointless suggestion. Does one go on a date during this time, for example. Hug grandchildren? Would be a waste of breath for them to say it.

@Meredithgrey1

Social distancing in terms of generally giving people space in supermarkets etc is fine, and just polite tbh. If it means keeping distance from everyone for years it is just a pointless suggestion. Does one go on a date during this time, for example. Hug grandchildren? Would be a waste of breath for them to say it.

Plus, money talks. Businesses will fold if SD has to remain, restaurants having fewer tables for example, cinemas selling fewer tickets. Are they going to have all those people claiming benefits? It’s pure delusion.

[quote Crazycatlady83]@SchrodingersImmigrant it’s very clear that most businesses won’t survive with the socks distancing regulations in place. So you can stay away from people as much as you like, but people have a right to earn a living and at the moment, we are taking that away from people.[/quote]
Ah.
So not about "civil liberties" then.

I understand that people have the right to earn living and I very much understand how is all this going on affecting businesses.
However, times change, businesses change with it. The problem though is that no one knows how long this might take. It was supposed to be 2 weeks afterall. But. If business would be told "The SD will be here for years, so take measures", investment into making it work would be viable. No one will invest into screens between tables so they can have more (not having to have 2m) if they don't know if they won't need them in a month. "here is a grant (like it was for outdoor furniture) get screens/whatever works for you, it will be couple of years" is different and could actually work for many.
There will also be new types of businesses popping up. That's the evolution of business world.

Masks and increased hygiene practices in public places? Sure, those kind of measures keep all sorts of infections down.

Beyond that? No way. Once we at a point where the NHS can cope that should be the end of it.

Maybe the businesses should hurry up and evolve then so the government doesn't have to keep paying furlough and grants to them. Maybe they should be encouraging people to get different jobs, instead of paying their wages to stay at home, Amazon, warehouses and delivery type jobs or picking fruit and veg.

@TrickorTreacle

I put YANBU - it can't go on for that long. We need to hold a certain country in the Far East to account, because we have lost a year of our lives.

Er, good luck with that. How exactly do you intend to do that???

On the op's question - what do you mean? If distancing is needed it is needed. Certainly I would be very likely to follow rules if scientific consensus is it will help.

Epidemiologists are looking at one factor, the spread of the virus. We have already been told that Coronavirus will be around for years, possibly indefinitely. So a person who is trained to manage the spread of infectious diseases will suggest mitigation measures to limit the spread of that disease.

However, in reality we have a vaccine programme that is going as planned. It has already been said that there will be an acceptable number of deaths from covid each year and the economic needs will take over. There might be changes like we have to wear masks during flu season. Hopefully there will also be other positive changes like people will be able to work from home if they have a cold/cough rather than taking their germs into the office.

It’s not as simple as being against lockdowns or being for them indefinitely. I would argue that the vast majority of people see the need for mitigation measures, even if they don’t enjoy them.

@SchrodingersImmigrant but this isn’t all about you. You want people to stay away from you, that’s fine.

It’s clear the industries you refer to, needing to “invest”, don’t have the magic money tree. Where are they going to get this money to make all these investments. A “grant” - so more government money? The government won’t even give the nurses more than £3.50 extra per week cos “there is no money”, I highly doubt they will put their hands in their pockets for the sort of investments you refer too.

People are inherently selfish, they won’t pay more tax. Keyworkers won’t see it as their responsibility cos they worked throughout, furloughed workers won’t have employment to go back to.

The hospitality industry employs over six million people, the travel industry is worth £90 billion to our economy and employs 1.4 million people. How are we going to plug the gap left by a large proportion of these taxpayers leaving the system or the revenue that we will lose? Whilst having enough to pay for grants for these businesses?

Pandemics can take years to resolve if they ever do.

The aids pandemic has been raging for decades with no end in sight.

Its a case of proportionality really - we have a vaccine, the death rate is low overall, we seem to be in a better position now and that's a good thing.

Honestly If SD and masks 😷 and even lockdowns continue on for the next 20 years the public in the main won't oppose it.

Governments have a very poor record of returning freedoms once taken.

Whatever happens I think we will emerge from this a more distrustful, less social, authoritarian police state and it depresses me a huge amount.

It has already been said that there will be an acceptable number of deaths from covid each year this number has not been publically discussed, so it can't be described as 'acceptable'. There will of course be deaths, but the government is being a bit vague currently.

Whatever happens I think we will emerge from this a more distrustful, less social, authoritarian police state and it depresses me a huge amount. Sadly I fear this too

I’d do what was necessary (in public spaces) to prevent a lockdown. Really every winter we could improve viral transmission.

I will have family and friends in my home.

I feel like doing more would be compensating for all the people who are not selfless enough /have alternative beliefs and don’t get vaccinated.

I never said ot was about me @Crazycatlady83
You started with "civil liberties" and I simply asked if it's a "civil liberty" to be able to be close to me (or other people so you know, it wouldn't all be about me)

Quite happy for social distancing, masks, gloves and hand gel....as long as it takes.

I don't want to catch stranger's coughs, colds and flu, and I am often doubtful about hand hygiene too....in the past I have used a scarf as a mask, worn outdoor gloves in winter for as long as the weather would allow (and then washed them at home) and so on. Now I don't have to pretend! I can wear a mask, keep my distance and ask others to do so, plus wear nitrile gloves when out shopping with impunity....I shan't be dropping them any time soon, and will keep on doing this long after COVID has gone.

I have no choice but to work in our office. We’ve had to wear masks all day since January. It is utterly miserable (and typically a rule made by HR who all WFH).

The aids pandemic has been raging for decades with no end in sight.

That's not true. HIV and AIDS are very much under control in most of the world, and have been for about 20 years now. Public health measures such as testing, tracing, education of at risk groups, post exposure prophylaxis and anti retrovirals have been hugely effective. Less so in sub Saharan Africa for various reasons (not least of which is American anti condom rhetoric. But that's a separate issue).
Anyway covid is a completely different disease to HIV.

Can see masks persisting for 3 years possibly. But really it depends on death rates. These measures will only persist if there's any need for them.

Nope. Not doing this for years.

You started with "civil liberties" and I simply asked if it's a "civil liberty" to be able to be close to me (or other people so you know, it wouldn't all be about me)

Not you personally. But it is a civil liberty to be able to use public transport, socialise with other people in large groups, and other things that require people to get within 2 m of each other. If you don't want anyone within 2 m of you that's your right ... As long as you are willing to stay out of pubs, clubs, restaurants, hospitals, and not take a job as a doctor, nurse, teacher, factory worker etc.